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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	You have been on an absolute tear! You've done a great job of fixing up and adding tornadoes from 2007 and beyond! All I ask is that you use the newest table format. Other than that, you're good! ChessEric 20:09, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Y'know, I just wanted to stop by and say that I'm grateful for your hard work on lists of tornadoes – particularly List of United States tornadoes in April 2024! Great work, keep it up! :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 02:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

2007 Piedras Negras-Eagle Pass tornado

You found a source that said that these two tornado events were connected. While I don't necessarily doubt that finding, I really need to know where exactly in the article it is. I haven't studied Spanish in a long time, so I don't know where it is. Also, with NCEI report saying that these were two separate tornadoes, we got to figure out which source should be used here. ChessEric 20:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

From the source I labeled, I have these areas in the article (with their English translations!):

Page 4, Paragraph 3 - "The participating investigators conducted an extensive tour of the affected areas to identify the path of the tornado in the Piedras Negras area and traveled to the area of Eagle Pass, Texas, to also recognize the affected area of Rosita Valley (Rosita South) in the same Maverick County that was also damaged by the tornado to interview local officials. and collect information on the effects of the passage of the meteor that would be useful to generate some comparative appreciations."

Page 6, Paragraph 1 - "On the afternoon of Tuesday, April 24, 2007, a storm system called a supercell appeared in the north of the country that generated a tornado of multiple vortices that developed a devastating path with a little more than 1 kilometer in diameter through the area of Villa de Fuente in the urban context of Piedras Negras, Coahuila and advanced a little more than 22 kilometers to reach the residential area of Rosita Valley (Rosita South) in Eagle Pass, Texas."

Page 6, Paragraph 3 - "In field interviews, we found descriptions of the formation of the tornado in the Acoros residential colony to the west of the city of Piedras Negras, following a trajectory to the east, causing damage to the Deportivo Fraccionamiento and the most severe damage to Villa de Fuente, then passing through the Ejido Villa de Fuente where it stopped generating destruction in the urban area. Moving forward through unpopulated areas in a southeasterly direction crossing the Rio Grande, to reach inhabited areas again in the aforementioned area of Rosita Valley jurisdiction of Eagle Pass, Maverick County in Texas."

And then Page 24 on the paper has a map of their estimated path of the tornado.

Personally, as much of a used source as the NCEI is, I think this paper is better solely because of the fact it is a research paper and it was published after the NCEI release. It's up to you which you think would be better, I'm fine with any change! Timcigar12 (talk) 22:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks for letting me know. I think a second opinion is needed on this. ChessEric 01:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	For continually updating the list pages. I was going to add the rest of the June tornadoes tonight, but you beat me to it! Keep up the good work! ChessEric 03:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	I recently contracted COVID, so I was unable to update the Hurricane Beryl chart. I really appreciate you updating it. ChessEric 00:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

St. Louis tornado outbreak of February 1959 table reformatting

Given the historical significance of the 2025 St. Louis tornado with regards to the 1959 St. Louis tornado, I'm going to attempt to bring the St. Louis tornado outbreak of February 1959 article to GA status. Can you help by reformatting the table? I would appreciate it. ChessEric 22:05, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

You betcha! Timcigar12 (talk) 03:58, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! ChessEric 13:56, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

I hate to put you on the spot, but can you go to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Severe weather page and see what other monthly articles you can fix up? I specifically think that the list articles that only need their tables modernized are to preferred. You don’t need to do it all right now; take your time. ChessEric 00:37, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Zero hassle to me at all my man. I've just been working on adding the appropriate state categories to every outbreak article the past two days and I can put that on hold and the table cleanup since that's relatively fast. Timcigar12 (talk) 19:55, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I saw that. I do the same thing sometimes. You have been a God send to this project. Thanks for your contributions! ChessEric 20:25, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

A Helpful Guide!

Sometimes, it's hard for me to find a way to create a wildfire-related page. So, I sometimes need something to guide me through. Although, I think it's only right to share my WP:Guide with multiple different users. So, here you go---User:CostalCal/Guide! I hope you read this next time you create or edit a wildfire-related page. CostalCal (talk) 18:35, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Wildfire Barnstar
		Thank you for your contributions on 2025 United States wildfires and 2026 United States wildfires articles. You make my task of checking Watch Duty every day easier. CostalCal (talk) 00:48, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thank you for your consistent and fast work keeping the current tornado pages up to date! You're doing an amazing job. Chris ☁️(talk - contribs) 21:10, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Hurricane Carla tornado outbreak

The Hurricane Carla article is currently being improved and the Hurricane Carla tornado outbreak article is being merged into it. Can you modernize the tables, please? ChessEric 17:15, 6 May 2026 (UTC)

Yea for sure! Might be in a day or two but I'll see when I can do it. Timcigar12 (talk) 01:32, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

Funny, I was going to ask the same thing about Hurricane Frances. The old outbreak page was merged, but I want to bring back the tables before taking Frances to FAC. Or if you can point me to an article with the proper modern tables, I can try doing it myself. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

I can do it no worries! I'm pretty fast with this stuff now after doing it for so long it'll be easier haha. Timcigar12 (talk) 16:30, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

Amazing! Hurricane_Frances#Tornado_outbreak - this is where the tables should go. Thanks for the help in advance. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:50, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

Hey I just wanted to catch up since it's been a few weeks now. I had two vacations I had gone on with family and friends and now I'm gonna try punching out those tables for you in the next 2 days. I just have to finish part of the 7th and the 8th and then all will be good. Sorry for not letting you know sooner. Timcigar12 (talk) 23:18, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thank you for helping on Hurricane Frances! You’re welcome to join the FAC nomination in the near future, since that’s a huge help in organizing the article. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 14:38, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Oh, is there a way of making the tornado tables collapsable? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:53, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Not that I know of... I never have done that before but I'm sure there's got to be a way. If I have some time later tonight I'll try to take a look. Timcigar12 (talk) 21:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

It turns out there was an easy way to make the tables collapsable. One last thing. Is there a reason the note has "All dates are based on the local time zone where the tornado touched down; however, all times are in Coordinated Universal Time for consistency." Would anything major change if it was all in UTC? Because I think one note at the beginning of the article that "All times and dates are based on Coordinated Universal Time (UTC)." That would also cover the met history. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:37, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Yea you probably can remove it. Since I've been doing the tornado tables that's always been a part of it from even before me. All tornadoes occurred in EDT so it shouldn't ultimately matter if you just have it at the beginning of the article instead of by the table I suppose! All the times in the table are UTC time converted from EST since NCEI data only uses standard time in their database. Hope that clears it up. Timcigar12 (talk) 23:41, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

June 2026

Hello, I'm Tornado Elliott. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Talk:List of United States tornadoes from May to June 2026 that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Reason: I openly admitted that tables aren't my strong suit, which is exactly why Wikipedia is a collaborative project—we rely on each other's different strengths to improve pages. If you'd like to help build the tables or add the DAT sources mentioned above, your help would be greatly appreciated. Tornado Elliott (Yelp for help?) 18:27, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I apologize if my question came off as rude to you, that wasn't my intention.

The main reason I asked that question is I noticed a trend on a almost every tornado-related draft you've created on all your accounts. You tend to start a draft with a lead and an infobox and then leave it as such until (if) another editor were to come along and finish the draft based off of your shell. I've seen this over the course of the past several months now to where I'm intrigued in learning why you do this approach.

I fully agree Wikipedia is a collaborative project and welcome any additional help for these projects with open arms! At the same time, I am confused to why a draft is started/created and then immediately after a couple of edits is fully abandoned (I can provide examples if you need me to). That leads me to wondering what the intended purpose of the draft you started is. Since they're not actively WIP, I rarely have seen other editors help to edit those drafts.

I don't want to discourage you from stopping drafts all together, I just want to understand what your reasoning is for starting them and then leaving them for others to work on. Given how often other editors end up completing the majority of the content, I think it's a fair question to ask.

As for the May to June 2026 list, I've been actively maintaining tables since my vacation in the middle of the month. I've been the main contributor to the monthly lists for the past 3 years now so that's kind of why I was confused when you came along out of the blue.

Again, I truly did not mean any offense with my initial comment but I can see why it came off as rude to you and I apologize for that. I just wanted to understand the pattern of what I've been seeing go on for the past few months. No hard feelings! Timcigar12 (talk) 02:45, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

You have no right to call out Tim, you constantly create drafts that are useless, and your best articles are very incomplete, your lucky you still have the privilege to edit on WP, don’t take it for granted - TREF4 The Rochelle EF4 (talk) 03:09, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

The Monthly Wiki-Weather Review - Issue 1 (September 1, 2026)

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Eoline 13:15, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

edit reverted

you reverted my edit, and to be fair, while there wasn't a section on it, the thumbnail image and the caption both described the tornado. Maybe we could consider adding a section to the article? I am currently working on my 2007 Enterprise tornado article, but I will consider adding a section later. WXchaser (^{Say what?}) 00:50, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

also, in the section: Possible EF5 intensity, it says, see also: Disagreements on the intensity of tornadoes. If my edit was rightfully reverted, then this should also be removed. WXchaser (^{Say what?}) 00:53, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

See this comment on the talk page for said article of why it isn't included. Timcigar12 (talk) 01:15, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

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Eoline 13:16, 1 October 2026 (UTC)