User talk:Nativecrusader

September 2022

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Turks of South Carolina, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Yuchitown (talk) 17:27, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown

The content on Turks of South Carolina was removed because the state of South Carolina has acknowledged that the Turkish Community is a wholly separate and distinct community from the Privateer Indian Community which McDonald Furman wrote about in local newspapers during the late nineteenth century. A book entitled, South Carolina's Turkish People: A History and Ethnology was written in 2018 to address this very topic by Glen Browder and Terri Ann Ognibene. In 2020, Browder wrote "A Critical Analysis of the Sumter Cheraw Indian Tribe's Appropriation of the Turkish People's History" and presented this research to the South Carolina Commission for Minority Affairs. The CMA reviewed and accepted this research and wrote an annotation to add to its official files regarding the certification of the Sumter Tribe of Cheraw Indians. The state of South Carolina does not accept the Turks of South Carolina as the same entity as the Privateer Indians or Redbones which McDonald Furman studied in the nineteenth century and to conflate them is a blatant falsehood and an act of appropriation. The book presently which provides the information that you have reverted was written by S. Pony Hill, an enrolled member of the Sumter Tribe of Cheraw Indians. Mr. Hill's research was specifically touched upon within Browder's "A Critical Analysis of the Sumter Cheraw Indian Tribe's Appropriation of the Turkish People's History". Additionally, the surname Goins was removed the list of Turkish surnames as it appears to have been added in the attempt bolster claims of descent from the Privateer Community. The Sumter Cheraw's petition proves no descent from the Goins nor is it a characteristic surname of that community today. The link to a complete copy of this document can be found below or you can alternatively search for it yourself. Thank you.

https://scgenweb.org/Browder/SumterCountyGenealogicalSociety-ACriticalAnalysisoftheSumterCherawIndianTribesAppropriationOfTheTurkishPeoples_History_2-6-20.pdf Nativecrusader (talk) 20:03, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that the citation provided for S. Pony Hill's book provides no page number, section title, or any indication of where this information is coming from. When searching through a digital edition of this book, there is only one instance of the phrase "Clerk" within the entirety of the work.

"One elderly Goins from Sumter testified, "our parents went from North Carolina, some of the older ones, and there were lots of names, Oxendine, Hunt, Chavis, and Goins." L.I. Parrot, the Clerk of the Court for Sumter County, testified that the brown-skinned people of Sumter "have been known as 'Red Bones' ever since I have been acquainted with the people."

I have additionally keyword searched "Catawba" and "Indian descent" in the attempt to locate the source of the provided information. Ultimately, I have found no indication that the information within this article came from Strangers in Their Own Land: South Carolina's State Tribes. I feel this alone merits the removal of the information, especially when taken into consideration with my previous response. Nativecrusader (talk) 20:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

You can read more at wp:self-published about why self-published books are not acceptable as sources. wp:reliable provides information about secondary, published sources that can be used at Wikipedia. Yuchitown (talk) 20:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)Yuchitown

Regardless, the information provided in the article is uncited and not within the book it claims. Nativecrusader (talk) 20:57, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

A bit late, but I'd recommend viewing Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 515#BackinTyme Publishing and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 40#Is Frank W Sweet a reliable source?. Theevu (talk) 11:32, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

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You can create your user page User:NativeCrusader by adding text or pictures. More information is at Wikipedia:User pages, specifically at WP:UPYES. Yuchitown (talk) 00:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Came here to say the same thing again. Yuchitown (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

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December 2025

Hi Nativecrusader! I noticed that you recently made an edit at Yamasee and marked it as "minor", but it may not have been. On Wikipedia, "minor edit" refers only to superficial edits that could never be disputed, such as fixing typos or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not minor, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 12:25, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough, good to know Douglas. In regard to the content "never being disputed," Mr. York has been convicted of child molestation, and sentenced to a 135 years in federal prison. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which, I might add was a preexisting source, classifies his cult as a black supremacist hate group. Though you or any other qualified editor is welcome to dispute such publicly available information. Nativecrusader (talk) 13:17, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

All the SPLC says is "for a while, York claimed to be “Chief Black Eagle” of the “Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation.", which is not what your edit said. If you think I am wrong you can ask at WP:RSN Doug Weller talk 13:47, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

The SPLC explicitly states the Nuwaubian Nation of Moors is a "SPLC Designated Hate Group," and further goes on to state, "Originally a putatively Muslim group, Nuwaubianism is best understood as a cult that promotes a bizarre and complicated “theology.” And further, "The group’s founder and leader, Dwight York, took extreme advantage of its adherents, sexually abusing their children and conning the adults out of their possessions. In April 2004, he was sentenced to 135 years in prison for molesting children, among other crimes."

My edit was meant to emphasize the fact that a group which has identified itself as descended from the historic Yamasee people, is a SPLC designated hate group, and a cult. It was founded by a child molester, who was sentenced and is now serving 135 years in federal prison. Most of my edit concerned such information.

The only part of my edit that was disputable may have been that many splintered from this group, and still today identify as Yamasee descendants. Though, that's verifiably true as well. Thus, my edit was in good faith.

Nevertheless, I am glad to see we find consensus that unrecognized entities and hate groups should not be in the same section as federally recognized descendants, which your edit has kept distinct.

Best. Nativecrusader (talk) 14:17, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Except I had to remove hate groups as unsosurced. Doug Weller talk 16:21, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Please don’t use the word “notably” except in quotations

It's not up to editors to decide what is notable.Doug Weller talk 12:27, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Your Cape Fear draft

looks good, why not move it into main space? Note though that the Daily Kos Doug Weller talk 17:32, 8 December 2025 (UTC)isn't17:32, 8 December 2025 (UTC)Doug Weller talk considered a reloable souurce.

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Shakori people and Eno people

Are you planning on actually merging these two? Per your comment at the AfD, That considered, my suggestion for a merge, if it is to occur by consensus, is that both Shoccoree-Eno language and Shakori be merged into Eno people, renamed either Shoccoree-Eno people or Shoccoree and Eno people. It doesn't make a lot of sense to separate these groups with separate pages since they were confederated, and are always mentioned together. To do so would require isolating each from academic texts referring to them all together, only to reduplicate the exact same information in another article. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 01:42, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

I believe the articles should probably be merged together, but have refrained from a unilateral merge, given consensus at the AfD originally concerned merging Shoccoree-Eno Language into Shakori.

My uncertainty remains in the title of the combined article. Rudes and Goddard tend to refer to the Shakori as Shoccoree, and the confederated names of these groups are variously rendered as Shoccoree-Eno, Shakori-Eno, Eno-Shakori, so on. Although "Shakori" was standardized in the 20th century, it seems to be a popular spelling. I also have considered that the name Eno lasted longest. It was the singular name remnants of the confederated Eno-Shoccoree-Adshusheer went by upon merging with the Catawba.

Do you think we should propose merging Shakori (now Shakori people) into Eno people (the elder of the two pages), and if so by what spelling variant or name? Nativecrusader (talk) 17:31, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

I agree with the merge; it would also make sense merging to the older page Eno people. We could also settle the proposed name as Shoccoree–Eno people initially, and if there is objection, a WP:RM discussion would iron it out. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 19:50, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

Pee Dee Lumbee

Hi there, Nativecrusader, and thank you for your interesting article on Pee Dee Lumbee which I've reviewed and rated as B class. I've removed the AI tag which may well have resulted from an algorithm which looks for many detailed sources as these frequently occur in articles created on the basis of AI output. I hope you will now be encouraged to continue writing more articles in connection with First Nation communities. I see you have now already created five along these lines.– Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 08:54, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

Hello Nativecrusader. Indeed, as Ipigott mentions, an algorithm noticed the referencing (detailed book references that don't have URLs, so can't be verified), which led me to place the {{ai-generated}} template on the article.

• Crediford, Gene J. (2009). Those Who Remain. Tuscaloosa, AL: The University of Alabama Press. p. 126. ISBN 978-0817355180.
• Paredes, J. Anthony; Taukchiray, Wesley DuRant; Kasakoff, Alice Bee (1992). Indians of the Southeastern United States in the Late 20th Century. Tuscaloosa, AL: The University of Alabama Press. p. 75.
• Hicks, Theresa M.; Taukchiray, Wes (1998). South Carolina Indians, Indian Traders, and Other Ethnic Connections Beginning in 1670. Spartanburg, SC: The Reprint Company. p. 253.
• Wertheimer, John (2023). Race and the Law in South Carolina: From Slavery to Jim Crow. Amherst, MA: Amherst College Press. pp. 153–155. ISBN 978-1943208913.
• Hicks, Theresa M.; Taukchiray, Wes (1998). South Carolina Indians, Indian Traders, and Other Ethnic Connections Beginning in 1670. Spartanburg, SC: The Reprint Company. p. 252.
• Paredes, J. Anthony; Taukchiray, Wesley DuRant; Kasakoff, Alice Bee (1992). Indians of the Southeastern United States in the Late 20th Century. Tuscaloosa, AL: The University of Alabama Press. p. 85.
• Crediford, Gene J. (2009). Those Who Remain. Tuscaloosa, AL: The University of Alabama Press. p. 130. ISBN 978-0817355180.
• Crediford, Gene J. (2009). Those Who Remain. Tuscaloosa, AL: The University of Alabama Press. pp. 140–141. ISBN 978-0817355180.
• Crediford, Gene J. (2009). Those Who Remain. Tuscaloosa, AL: The University of Alabama Press. pp. 125–126. ISBN 978-0817355180.

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