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Your draft article, Draft:Henry Gordon Thunder

Hello, 4meter4. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, "Henry Gordon Thunder".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:45, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

@Liz: I am not sure whether this was technically "my draft". I believe I separated it out from the draft on Henry Gordon Thunder, Sr. because there was a confusion of father and son that was made by FloridaArmy (talk · contribs). I rewrote the article on the senior member of the family and left the draft on Henry Gordon Thunder, Jr. for FlordiaArmy to finish/work on as that user wanted to. You might want to make that editor aware of the deletion, because I personally think of this article as FlordiaArmy's project. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:53, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Laura Sedgwick Collins

On 2 July 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Laura Sedgwick Collins, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that composer Laura Sedgwick Collins (pictured) was the first American woman to study with Antonín Dvořák? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Laura Sedgwick Collins. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Laura Sedgwick Collins), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:02, 2 July 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Cook Opera House

On 30 July 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cook Opera House, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Cook Opera House transitioned from opera to vaudeville to cinema before ending as a venue for strippers and dirty comics? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cook Opera House. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Cook Opera House), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:02, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Great job on Gary Hoffman (cellist). Viriditas (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas N. Armstrong III

On 4 August 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Thomas N. Armstrong III, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Thomas N. Armstrong III transformed the Whitney Museum of American Art from a "dowdy repository of unfashionable old art" into a "flashy showcase for young hot shots"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas N. Armstrong III. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Thomas N. Armstrong III), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2026 (UTC) 00:05, 4 August 2026 (UTC)

DYK for John Darrenkamp

On 5 August 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article John Darrenkamp, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that John Darrenkamp sang with OperaLancaster in 2015 in the same opera that he performed with the company for his debut in 1959? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/John Darrenkamp. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (John Darrenkamp), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 00:03, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

DYK for OperaLancaster

On 5 August 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article OperaLancaster, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that John Darrenkamp sang with OperaLancaster in 2015 in the same opera that he performed with the company for his debut in 1959? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/John Darrenkamp. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (OperaLancaster), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 00:03, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Gary Hoffman (cellist)

On 10 August 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gary Hoffman (cellist), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Gary Hoffman commuted by plane for cello lessons while a teenager? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gary Hoffman (cellist). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Gary Hoffman (cellist)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:02, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

Double redirects and wrong targets of Yuri articles

Hi, I attempted to fix a double redirect you created at Yuri (footballer, born 1998) but honestly there are so many footballers, many of which have recently been at AFD, I was unable to deal with this adequately. You set Yuri Araújo as a redirect to Yuri Tanque but Tanque was discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yuri (footballer, born 1998) and Araújo at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yuri (footballer, born April 1996) so these are different people. Please clean up this mess. C679 07:30, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

@Cloudz679: I don't see how that's possible. I literally just moved the title as stated in the close of each individual AFD. You set Yuri Araújo as a redirect to Yuri Tanque That wouldn't happen with a page move as I did it.4meter4 (talk) 14:04, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found what you are talking about. I'll take care of it.4meter4 (talk) 14:13, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Academy of Vocal Arts

On 20 August 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Academy of Vocal Arts, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the home of Academy of Vocal Arts is allegedly haunted by a ghost? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Academy of Vocal Arts. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Academy of Vocal Arts), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Launchballer (talk) and Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:02, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

August thanks

story · music · places

Thank you for your efforts for Angelo Neumann. German and Austrian meant different things at his time, when today's nations didn't even exist. - Sorry that I couldn't help more. I'm busy with Harry van der Kamp, Ileana Cotrubaș and Anny Schlemm, - especially the articles of the ladies were in a sad tagged state when they died which is a shame. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 23 August 2026 (UTC)

Cotrubaș is on the main page now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 26 August 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Sataloff

On 26 August 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Robert Sataloff, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Robert Sataloff began harvesting bones from corpses at the age of eight? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Sataloff. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Robert Sataloff), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 12:03, 26 August 2026 (UTC)

Missing Topics List

Really happy to see you still working from the missing topics list. Found another list that seems quite useful: User:Skysmith/Missing topics about Music. Thought it might be of interest. – Aza24 (talk) 02:30, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

• @Aza24: Thanks. Some of the items on that list are worthy, but many seem implausible or are already covered under another name/title . For example medieval music notation would in reality be neumatic notation. Sources wouldn't call it "medieval music notation", but that is the type of notation that existed in the medieval period. I'm seeing a lot of that type of thing on that list where the person clearly identified a topic in their own mind, but didn't actually look at what the topic is called in the literature, or bring any informed opinion into making a red link. Other terms like "feminine basso" are neologisms without sufficient sourcing in reliable literature to pass WP:NOTNEO and WP:GNG. Functional tenor is a term in semiotics/linguistics, but it has nothing to do with music. Etc.

At least the with music encyclopedia list, the red-linked words are specifically pulled from published reference books on music, so the topics are usually notable and likely to have sourcing under that title. Another example would be gourd instruments. We already cover most of the gourd instruments Category:Gourd musical instruments with individual articles on each instrument. They wouldn't be discussed as a group or set in the literature because there are gourd instruments from many different cultures made from different types of gourds, and they aren't really related to one another culturally as they come from different people groups with different music heritages. The thinking behind a lot of that list is flawed. In short, I wouldn't go around plugging this list because it has many problematic entries along with some good ones (most of which are already in the missing topics list). Best. 4meter4 (talk) 03:27, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

Yes, quite so, but I suspect most if not all the entries would be plausible redirects or disambiguations. By the way, a medieval music notation article would probably be most helpful to track the influence of the systems (which is definitely in RS). There is more than just Neume (Mensural notation), and the Neume article rightly so talks much about non-Western cultures. But then there are plenty of articles we don't have (medieval music theory, history of Western notation etc.) which it might better redirect to).

In any case, are you still starting with the As of the music encyclopedia list? I'd like to continue with the Zs at some point (you may remember I worked on Zmaga Kumer and Zygmunt Szweykowski), perhaps we will meet in the middle somewhere. Aza24 (talk) 03:47, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

@Aza24: True. I agree with the thought process that a history of music notation would be useful and a redirect could then be placed at medieval music notation. I might choose to limit it to a history of western music notation, as there are non-Western forms from India for example which I wouldn't want to attempt to incorporate due to my own lack of knowledge in that area. As for "working on the As", I'm actually not working alphabetically or systematically. I tend to hop around topics as chipping away at a big list systematically can sometimes be tedious/overwhelming. At the moment I am not focusing on red links but blue links. My goal is to identify whether the blue link is there because someone created a page, and just never got removed from the list, or to identify if we still need music coverage at that blue link. I'm basically taking the time to create articles where needed; source or expand stubs or poorly written articles; and remove the blue link once fixed. The List of operas based on the Andromeda myth for example came from thinking about the blue linked Andromeda, and Anglaise (dance) came about through the blue linked Anglaise. I'll keep chipping away at blue links on an on-again, off-again basis. Best.4meter4 (talk) 04:11, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Désiré Defrère

On 4 September 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Désiré Defrère, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that operatic baritone Désiré Defrère had such a wide vocal range that he could replace high tenors and female singers in emergencies? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Désiré Defrère. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Désiré Defrère), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Zzz plant (talk) 00:02, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

Andromeda myth

I read: "The myth tells of the tale of Andromeda, the daughter of Queen Cassiopeia and King Cepheus of Aethiopia. Cassiopeia has angered the Nereids sea nymphs by boasting the she is more beautiful than they. The Nereids appeal to Poseidon who threatens the safety of Aethiopia as punishment. In order to appease him, Cassiopeia and Cepheus offer up Andromeda as a human sacrifice. She is stripped naked and is chained to a rock in Jaffa with the intent that she be consumed by the sea creature Cetus sent by Poseidon. She is rescued by Perseus, fresh from his defeat of the Gorgon Medusa, who arrives by flight on winged sandals or a Pegasus." I don't want to make changes in the article, so just questions (and it may be my lack of language).

• My first problem with it is that this longish description of the myth seems not to be the right way to begin the lead of this list, which is about operas about it. The lead needs just a short version of the myth (if at all, a link might be enough), perhaps that she was offered naked as a sacrifice, but rescued by Perseus. The longish version should go to the body, imho.
• "tells of the tale" sounds redundant.
• Ethiopia?
• I'd turn the last sentence around: "She is rescued by Perseus, who arrives by flight on winged sandals or a Pegasus, fresh from his defeat of the Gorgon Medusa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 7 September 2026 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I've moved the plot down into the body as proposed, and modified the text as suggested. Aethiopia is a common geographical term in classical Greek mythology referenced in the Odyssey and the Iliad among other sources of Greek myth. The modern country of Ethiopia was unknown to the Ancient Greeks.4meter4 (talk) 22:35, 7 September 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Maria Maddalena Musi

On 10 September 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Maria Maddalena Musi, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Maria Maddalena Musi was known as "the Leech"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Maddalena Musi. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Maria Maddalena Musi), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Launchballer 00:03, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

DYK for List of operas based on the Andromeda myth

On 14 September 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article List of operas based on the Andromeda myth, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the first commercial opera was based on the Andromeda myth? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/List of operas based on the Andromeda myth. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (List of operas based on the Andromeda myth), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 14 September 2026 (UTC)

story · music · places

Thank you for the article, and for keeping the topic opera on DYK. When I look at today's lead hook, saying nothing than that a woman received a box of pears, and think of the rejection of role hooks, although most roles come with a good story, I don't know what to say. Just saw Meistersinger on stage for the first time, two fantastic singers for Sachs and Stolzing, and an excellent cast overall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 14 September 2026 (UTC)

Congrats to the Lully-soprano DYK. I can only hope readers will find out what inspiration she must have been for one of the leading composers of their era, from reading "a French soprano". I would not have clicked without feeling project opera responsibility ;) - I have two topics in the OTD corner - check out story and music, I decided for Verdi (the conductor who said "I love all of Verdi" and conducted by heart) over Bach because that cantata sits on sort of the wrong date ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

Bach composed a cantata for today's feast, performed 300 years ago. This time the main page has it on the right date. I nominated it for GA ;) - Also waiting for a review (at WP:ITNN): Maureen Jones, - someone said the article isn't good enough for the main page. We could change that! Already arrived there: Bryan Kelly and his fun Magnificat. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Congrats on the Bach cantata. My most recent work has been on a forgotten tenor, Albert Lindquest, who is perhaps better remembered today for his impact as a voice teacher by the name of Aaron Rogers Lindquest. He was a tangle to write on because he had so many changing names. I may take this to DYK after I give it some more thought. I also created Marcelle Bunlet who is at DYK. I have also been involved in co-expanding Aage Fønss (this could be featured but I can't seem to grab onto a hook I like), and alone, expanding Peter Cornelius, Mirjana Bohanec, and Miklos Bencze; although these last ones were not expanded enough to meet DYK's 5x rule. I expanded Alexander Baillie as well, but a family emergency came up and I wasn't able to nominate in the time. I also sourced Alexander Campbell and copy edited it. Glad your projects are going well. Thanks for checking in.4meter4 (talk) 03:45, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Lucia Bercescu-Țurcanu

On 21 September 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lucia Bercescu-Țurcanu, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that soprano Lucia Turcano was made an American citizen through federal legislation in 1954, but returned to communist Romania in 1963? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lucia Bercescu-Țurcanu. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Lucia Bercescu-Țurcanu), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:02, 21 September 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Mlle Saint-Christophle

On 22 September 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mlle Saint-Christophle, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a French soprano abandoned her opera career to become a nun? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mlle Saint-Christophle. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Mlle Saint-Christophle), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:02, 22 September 2026 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Ballets by genre

A tag has been placed on Category:Ballets by genre indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:50, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

@Liz: Unfortunately we have a tiny group of editors systemically gutting the ballet tree down to nothing. I completely disagree with what has been done, but CFD is poorly attended and the editors there often have a narrow take on categorization that isn't always in service to what's best for a topic area. I wish we would just bundle CFD into AFD, because the category discussions would be much more robust and better attended. As you can see, we now have a large topic artform losing categorization by genre; making it the only major artform not categorized in that way. Nothing to be done now, even though less than four editors participated in these discussions. I find CFD aggravating.4meter4 (talk) 00:43, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

New cross-language page link: Kuldar Sink

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Barnstar

		The Music Barnstar
		For the promotion of sopranos. Grimes2 13:35, 2 October 2026 (UTC)

• @Grimes2: Thank you for the kind message. I do like writing on sopranos; most recently Marcelle Bunlet (new), but also on other classical music, musical theatre, and musicology topics. My most recent new articles have been the soprano vocal waltz "Il bacio" and the tenor Albert Lindquest. I also expanded and sourced the article on cellist Alexander Baillie, wrote an article on the Canadian Academy of Music, and created an article on Leslie Holmes (variety entertainer) who has been widely confused online with the Canadian baritone Leslie Holmes (whose article I expanded). What projects have you been working on lately?4meter4 (talk) 16:16, 2 October 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Anglaise (dance)

On 6 October 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Anglaise (dance), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that traditional dances from England were popularized across Continental Europe by the French? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Anglaise (dance). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Anglaise (dance)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Peter Kuplowsky Afd

Hi @4meter4: I was wondering if you could take a look at this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Kuplowsky. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 07:21, 8 October 2026 (UTC)

DYK for Margaret Curphey

On 13 October 2026, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Margaret Curphey, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Margaret Curphey's opera career as an adult was harmed by health issues stemming from a bad playground accident as a child? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Margaret Curphey. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (Margaret Curphey), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:02, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

story · music · places

Thank you for the article about an interesting singer! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

We can't thank you enough for having expanded Martina Arroyo while she was alive! I wonder if some of the early Eropean concerts could be moved to the earlier section, - it's a bit strange to see her most youthful image after retired from the stage. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Just found this obit from Diapason, in French but with a great image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: If you want to move some of the concert literature earlier that would ok, but I caution to not move too much to keep the section a managable size. An additional paragraph would be ok, but anymore it would be unreadable (ie WP:WALLOFTEXT). I think the reader can understand the need to separate content into logical content areas. We can't always be perfectly chronological with someone who had a varied career. The Diapason mag obit doesn't have anything new to say, and some of the generalities in the article (such as that Arrroyo was from a wealthy famiily) are not true. Her dad was an engineer with a good salary (middle class) but certainly no millionaire, and her mother stayed at home. As a source for the article its not of much value. The picture is good.4meter4 (talk) 15:16, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

I moved the Stockhausen, and only that, to Barber and Hindemith. - I wonder if her degree in languages and the depth of language studies should be mentioned in the lead, along with teaching. It seems rare. - The list of internatioal houses there might perhaps be shorter, - it's all the ones you'd expect. - For some reason I don't know, Arroyo was the first Black soprano I noticed in life, before Price and Anderson. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

It is interesting, but I don't think central enough to her fame or career to warrant being in the lead. The body should have its interesting surprises not found elsewhere.4meter4 (talk) 15:51, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Good point. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

You decide if you want to add the source in German (Bayerischer Rundfunk) that I added to the ITNN nomination for Arroyo. It has nothing that other refs don't have, but references that she is remembered in Germany. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

If you get her to GA, we can still have her image on the main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Martina Arroyo

On 18 October 2026, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Martina Arroyo, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 08:05, 18 October 2026 (UTC)