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It has been proposed repeatedly on this talk page, and the consensus has always been to not include these symbols. They are generally not used in military history articles these days,as they are confusing. Nick-D (talk) 01:37, 20 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
OK.
Might be a good idea to update the manual page for these tags then to say that, or update the tags to be less confusing, but to at least add a comment into the page here. Elrondil (talk) 02:20, 20 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 8 days ago5 comments5 people in discussion
Simply putting Allies and Axis in the belligerents section in the infobox doesn't provide any information about the countries that participated in the war, i am not saying that we should literally put every Allied countries and Axis countries into the infobox but we should put the main countries that participated in the war in the infobox and an additional "…other states" and the end of the listed countries. My proposal would look something like this;
Allies:
Soviet Union
United States
United Kingdom
China
…other states
I think it is fine as it is. We already specify the main Allied and Axis leaders, and adding the main allies and Axis in the info box will just reignite endless arguments about who the main ones were. Readers can click on the links as see who the major belligerents were. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
This has been repeatedly proposed, and the consensus has always been to leave things as-is for the reasons Aemilius Adolphin notes. Nick-D (talk) 07:37, 25 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Usually it's France that becomes the sticking point, then what order you put the Allies in. It was agreed by the regulars here to delete that info from the infobox. They got tired of having the same argument over and over again. Flounder ceo (talk) 14:01, 2 November 2026 (UTC)Reply
Please search this talk page's archives to see how the infobox was developed. Also, your personal views carry no weight - Wikipedia operates under WP:V, where references to reliable sources are needed. Nick-D (talk) 06:04, 3 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
The Second Sino-Japanese War was a war between China and Japan, it was fought exclusively in China (Asia). When the UK and France declared war on Germany, it involved two global empires, and from day one troops from more than one continent served. With battles well outside Europe occurring as early as 1939. In other words, one was a localised war, the other involved the world. Slatersteven (talk) 10:34, 18 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
The overwhelming majority of sources date the start of WWII from Germany's invasion of Poland. It does not matter what you or I think, only what the consensus of reliable sources say. The various alternative starting dates proposed by a minority of historians are already discussed in the article. This is sufficient. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 07:31, 20 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I've listed this article for peer review to identify areas for body about WW2 with a possible current GA and future FA candidate. This is my first Peer Review on English Wikipedia.
I would particularly appreciate the veteran editors on:
The article already is a GA, and you have no history of contributions to it so this seems totally out of process and pointless. Nick-D (talk) 06:05, 18 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think it would be more productive for a small group of editors with good topic knowledge to undertake a check of the current citations as some of them do not look to be the best available. I have been meaning to do this for some time and it is still on my "to do" list. If any other editors are willing to help me out on this, that would be much appreciated. Until this is done, I don't think there is much value in a peer review. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
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This article really needs to explain these terms. They are important for a basic understanding of World War II. I'm trying to help, yet I keep getting reverted. Please explain here why, or stop reverting. Flounder ceo (talk) 15:01, 1 November 2026 (UTC)Reply
These topics are well-described in hundreds of sources. The history of Germany, its politics and ideologological conflicts, is very relevant to the World War II article. Flounder ceo (talk) 15:17, 1 November 2026 (UTC)Reply
Keegan (1989), Beevor (2012), and Shirer (1960) all wrote broad overviews of World War II that included descriptions of Nazi ideology. Why do you think Wikipedia should be different? Flounder ceo (talk) 15:32, 1 November 2026 (UTC)Reply
These are whole books; this is more like a chapter of a book, so I see no need to include this. And this is now bordering on bludgeoning, so I will wait for others to offer an opinion and leave with a firm no. Slatersteven (talk) 15:35, 1 November 2026 (UTC)Reply
I agree that Nazi needs to be explained in the first instance. I don't think we need to go into the Nazi ideology because the linked articles already do this and we say that the Nazis abolished democracy and sought to establish a radical, racially motivated new order. (And ethnic Germans were not the only members of the supposed Aryan race.)
I also support Aemilius Adolphin's edit, but would suggest removing the reference to the Beer Hall Putsch given it occurred a long time before Hitler took power, and historians generally noted that it was counterproductive for the Nazis. The material Flounder ceo has been edit warring into the article are largely outside of its scope - while the Nazis' ideology was very important in explaining why Hitler launched a world war in 1939 and then escalated it further by invading the USSR and declaring war on the US, this material didn't really go to those issues, which are probably too complex to be explained here. The ideologies of the other key countries were also important and would need to be covered if we went down this path (for instance, why the UK decided it needed to oppose German expansion and ran its Empire, FDR's views on grand strategy, and all kinds of things about the USSR), leading to quite a lot of material. Nick-D (talk) 07:38, 2 November 2026 (UTC)Reply
Agree. We can removed the beer hall putsch too. That leaves us with:
I tend to agree with Aemilius Adolphin here. While Nazi ideology was obviously important in shaping the course of the war, I don't think the WWII article needs to go into a detailed explanation of it, especially when we already have dedicated articles covering these subjects.
The exitsing wording gives readers the basic context without making the introduction unnecessarily complicated. I would support keeping it concise and leaving the more detailed ideological background to the relevant articles. We should also keep in mind that this is an article about World War II as a whole, not just Nazi Germany. Axiom IV (talk) 00:41, 3 November 2026 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Aemilius that 'Allies' is the most common term, as is 'Axis powers'. With apologies to your nervous system, "consistency" shouldn't be the overriding factor for the article's terminology. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:04, 5 November 2026 (UTC)Reply
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