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To be fair, that is the number of deported Armenian apostolic church members who were missing in 1917, according to Talat's estimate. The question for Bardakçı and other deniers is what happened to these people and a more parsimonious explanation for the deaths of most of them, other than the mainstream explanation of a genocide organized by the Ottoman government. (t·c) buidhe20:12, 27 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Buidhe No, Bardakçı gives the number of transported ("missing") Armenians as 924,158, not 841,161 (p. 77). The number 841,161 is not present in the book at all. Also, he does not give any explanation on what happened to those Armenians; he only provides the data. 95.12.116.104 (talk) 00:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
That latter figure is based on a comparison of the number of deportees with the number of people Talat reported to be surviving in the end destinations. I don't know whether Talat made these calculations himself but you can find them published in many sources. (t·c) buidhe06:02, 28 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Buidhe Yes, those are Ara Sarafian's calculations not Talat Pasha's. They are not present in the original published by Bardakçı. But I can definitely tell you that the number of surviving Armenian refugees is 817,837 + 95K converts by 1922 according to a document of the US State Department. You can read it from this article (p. 132, "Approximate number of Armenians in the World, NARA 867.4016/816"). 95.12.116.104 (talk) 16:58, 28 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
Not interested in humoring you any more but there is a good reason why we don't rely on cherry picked primary sources. Most of the estimates for the number of surviving Ottoman Armenians are much lower. (t·c) buidhe18:29, 28 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
@Buidhe This information is based on figures provided by the British Embassy in Istanbul, the Near East Relief and the League of Nations. You cannot dismiss this as "cherry picked". 95.12.116.104 (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
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