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Added "dangerous" and CN for "dawn and dusk" in S1
[edit]While most sites advocating this quackery recommend dawn and dusk (it is often less physically painful, bypassing the body's warning that you are doing a Very Dumb Thing), sungazing itself is simply... sungazing. Need a CN source for the Dawn and Dusk definition, rather than recommendation by quacks. I'll remove the unsourced text in the next couple of days if no source. Any objection to the "dangerous", we can move the citation directly to the word.Shajure (talk) 20:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- restored "dangerous" as it is sourced in the body, and removed "dawn and dusk" as it is not, and no one provided a source.Shajure (talk) 20:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- moved the dawn and dusk down to sentence about common practice, where it is supported by some of the sources.Shajure (talk) 20:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Long, slow POV push that this practice is not dangerous continues. Restored dangerous again.Shajure (talk) 19:35, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
- Harmful vs. Dangerous. Well... to me, dangerous is less "intense" than harmful. I don't know that there are studies that show it is harmful... that it always does harm. But there are studies that it is dangerous... there is a danger of harm.Shajure (talk) 02:41, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Long, slow POV push that this practice is not dangerous continues. Restored dangerous again.Shajure (talk) 19:35, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
- Dangerous? Yes remove. This “quack has been sungazing for a year now and my vision has improved. Yes, improved I went from a prescription of -6.75 to a -6.25. Even my ophthalmologist was stunned. He made a comment that whoever must’ve done my last prescription did it wrong and my reply was I looked at him and told him that my last prescription was from him because it was, and he looked astounded. So the dangerous speak of I’m not really sure what you’re talking about is it is only filled and uplifted my life. 2603:9000:6301:121D:382F:BF50:2253:75A4 (talk) 15:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
- "...it is often less physically painful, bypassing the body's warning that you are doing a Very Dumb Thing..."
- If there's no "physical pain" right during sungazing, that's because the body just doesn't send any "warnings" (biofeedback), thus there's nothing to "bypass" at all. Your very statement itself is a "Very Dumb Thing", also illogical, ignorant and illiterate. ~2026-37829-36 (talk) 12:07, 2 July 2026 (UTC)
Wikipedia editors are way too mild when handling quackery
[edit]A recent unsigned comment was removed in archiving old text. Adding it back.
"The original poster has obviously never sun gazed and knows nothing about it. If you are sun gazing and experience any of the symptoms described in this post you are supposed to stop immediately as the sun is too bright. This can happen sometimes from glare off the water for instance. Sungazers actually rely on their bodies natural defenses and listen to them - if you are sun gazing and the brightness is making you in any way uncomfortable, stop. If you are doing it properly - the first or last hour of the day - this rarely happens." This was an unsigned comment by IP user 66.117.193.162 Shajure (talk) 21:15, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
"dangerous"
[edit]An interested editor suggested "harmful", but it is only sometimes harmful. Should we say "sometimes harmful"? Something else? That is directly supported by the multiple sources. I thought "dangerous" was good, but the "harmful" suggestion struck me. There is a steady POV push that "if you do it right it is safe"... well that is great just need a wp:RS that says when it is safe and it can be added to the body. And there isn't one.Shajure (talk) 04:33, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- I think a risk associated is better word.
- If you do it in a controlled matter then it can be beneficial, even if is a complex and delicate balance.
- Yes is can be both dangerous and harmful EidenNor (talk) 16:07, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
Noticed the word Dangerous is inserted in the first sentence. Seems very POV. It’s been continuously removed since it’s been up there, why should it be there? It seems Sungazers and most people are well aware the medical industry and mainstream science advise against this and Sungazers do it anyways. 190.219.147.16 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:36, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think a risk associated is better word.
- If you do it in a controlled matter then it can be beneficial, even if is a complex and delicate balance.
- Yes is can be both dangerous and harmful. EidenNor (talk) 16:06, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
Is there a source that says this is alternative medicine?
[edit]I would say it belongs in spiritual or religious practices, rather than AM, unless there is a source.Shajure (talk) 08:49, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Related topic of light on human health
[edit]Yes sungazing is dangerous, and some will think that to highlight positive aspect of the topic is whitewashing.
There is related topic impact of light on human health, i think it relevant for this topic. I think it imported to show multiple side of topic when possible, ref WP:BALANCE
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There are no direct studies on the health effects of sungazing, but there are studies examining the impact of light on human health[1][2][3][4][5]. This is because humans have evolved to sleep at night and be active outdoors during daylight hours [6] The human eye contains photoreceptors in the retina, including the rods, cones, and retinal ganglion cells (ipRGCs). The photoreceptors influence the melatonin[7] and serotonin[8] levels. Melatonin plays a crucial role in regulating Circadian rhythm, Immune system and Weight regulation. Serotonin affects energy, mood, cognition, reward, learning, memory, and numerous physiological processes such as vomiting and vasoconstriction.[9] EidenNor (talk) 15:59, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
References
- ↑ Ishihara, Asuka; Courville, Amber B.; Chen, Kong Y. (2023-03-14). "The Complex Effects of Light on Metabolism in Humans". Nutrients. 15 (6): 1391. doi:10.3390/nu15061391. ISSN 2072-6643. PMID 36986120.
{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link) - ↑ Harrison, S. J.; Tyrer, A. E.; Levitan, R. D.; Xu, X.; Houle, S.; Wilson, A. A.; Nobrega, J. N.; Rusjan, P. M.; Meyer, J. H. (2015-11). "Light therapy and serotonin transporter binding in the anterior cingulate and prefrontal cortex". Acta Psychiatrica Scandinavica. 132 (5): 379–388. doi:10.1111/acps.12424. ISSN 1600-0447. PMC 4942271. PMID 25891484.
{{cite journal}}: Check date values in:|date=(help) - ↑ Tyrer, Andrea E.; Levitan, Robert D.; Houle, Sylvain; Wilson, Alan A.; Nobrega, José N.; Meyer, Jeffrey H. (2016-09). "Increased Seasonal Variation in Serotonin Transporter Binding in Seasonal Affective Disorder". Neuropsychopharmacology: Official Publication of the American College of Neuropsychopharmacology. 41 (10): 2447–2454. doi:10.1038/npp.2016.54. ISSN 1740-634X. PMC 4987850. PMID 27087270.
{{cite journal}}: Check date values in:|date=(help) - ↑ Almendros-Ruiz, Antonio; Lopez-Moro, Alejandro; Conde-Pipò, Javier; Santalla, Alfredo; Requena, Bernardo; Mariscal-Arcas, Miguel (2023-10-21). "The Effects of Melatonin Supplementation on Professional Football Player Performance: A Systematic Review". Nutrients. 15 (20): 4467. doi:10.3390/nu15204467. ISSN 2072-6643. PMID 37892543.
{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link) - ↑ Arendt, Josephine; Middleton, Benita (2018-03-01). "Human seasonal and circadian studies in Antarctica (Halley, 75°S)". General and Comparative Endocrinology. 258: 250–258. doi:10.1016/j.ygcen.2017.05.010. ISSN 1095-6840. PMID 28526480.
- ↑ Mead, M. Nathaniel (2008-04). "Benefits of sunlight: a bright spot for human health". Environmental Health Perspectives. 116 (4): A160–167. doi:10.1289/ehp.116-a160. ISSN 0091-6765. PMC 2290997. PMID 18414615.
{{cite journal}}: Check date values in:|date=(help) - ↑ Lockley, Steven W.; Brainard, George C.; Czeisler, Charles A. (2003-09). "High sensitivity of the human circadian melatonin rhythm to resetting by short wavelength light". The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism. 88 (9): 4502–4505. doi:10.1210/jc.2003-030570. ISSN 0021-972X. PMID 12970330.
{{cite journal}}: Check date values in:|date=(help) - ↑ Masson, Justine (2019-06-01). "Serotonin in retina". Biochimie. 70 years of Serotonin. 161: 51–55. doi:10.1016/j.biochi.2018.11.006. ISSN 0300-9084.
- ↑ Young, Simon N (2007 Nov). "How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs". Journal of Psychiatry & Neuroscience : JPN. 32 (6). Archived from the original on 2025-03-06.
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- Irrelevant/unreliable sources and - yes - whitewashing. Not gonna fly. Bon courage (talk) 16:16, 9 March 2025 (UTC)
- +1, clearly whitewashing. MaligneRange (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2025 (UTC)