Talk:Rajah Humabon

"Conversion" to Christianity

After reading some chapters of the english translation of Pigafettas account (see here), I have some doubts if you can call it a conversion, in today understanding of the term, what Magellan did there. Rajah Humabon seemed to be threatened to do whatever Magellan liked:

On approaching the principal town [Cebu] the captain general commanded all his ships to hang on their flags. Then we lowered the sails in the fashion in which they are struck when going to fight, and he had all the artillery fired, at which the people of this place were greatly frightened. (p.84)

The interpreter [...] declared to him, that he was the King of Spain and Emperor of all Christendom, wherefore, if he would not be his friend and treat his subjects well, he would at another time send against him so many men as to destroy him. (p. 85-86)

So Magellan tried a forced conversion, but even there he didn't succeed, because, thanks to Lapu-Lapu, Humabon wasn't forced for long enough into repetition of Magellans believe to actually believe anything himself. Thus after Magellans death he right away attacked the remaining Spaniards.

Of cause most contemporary Europeans of the time called this a conversion, but the article shouldn't hush over those facts that reveal, that in todays understand this is nothing the like. -- Käptn Weltall (talk) 17:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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AP

Nag palaganap ng kristiyanismo sa mga katutubong pilipino 2001:4453:673:3F00:20ED:8267:B89D:4D13 (talk) 04:44, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

English translation as : Christianity spread among the native Filipinos . Wisdood (talk) 09:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Rajah Humabon's date of death?

He could have not died on April 27 1521 if he orchestrated the May 1 massacre.January Bacus (talk) 10:21, 4 May 2022 (UTC) https://en.wikipilipinas.org/view/May_1_Massacre

anachronism: NO Filipino identity yet, DIFFERENT political system

Eliminating anachronisms. 1.) There's NO Filipino identity yet in Humabon's era. Existing nations that time were Visayan, Tagalog, Waray, Harayan, Kapampangan, Tausug, and so on, and they are united ONLY by same-language and same-religion, NOT necessarily by political organization. 2.) In this case of the Visayans, they were composed of different politeia (polities) called mandala in Southeast Asia and South Asia, and thus can be at war of each other, like the warring states or factions found in all other areas of the earth. 3. The modern concept of nationalism does NOT yet exist. Do they love their nation? Sure yes but NOT at the same level found in the modern age. Nationalism places a people's language, religion, history, and other cultural matters as the highest political loyalty. Before that, people's highest political-loyalty is to their lord or master or god or gods or kings or princeps, or the likes. In pre-colonial Philippines, the natives' highest political-loyalty is to their datu (lord or king), or rajah (overlord or high-king) or their god or gods. Thus the barangays (led by a datu) are practically small ancient kingdoms (or mixed ancient-medieval small kingdoms) vying for supremacy — a process also found elsewhere on earth. Large sovereign kingdoms of Europe are also still vying for supremacy that time. WaterMirror17 (talk) 07:44, 23 September 2026 (UTC)