Talk:Purgatorio

Meaning

Is it possible to get more meaning rather than description? As in Purgatory, Dante blames the pope for the division of the Italian people etc. Real life matters. Mallerd (talk) 13:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, most of the Purgatorio is focussed on the 7 deadly sins, although there is some of what you describe towards the end. Guess we could do with more explanation, though. -- Radagast3 (talk) 22:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm about to start a rewrite, with an emphasis on exactly what you ask for. -- Radagast3 (talk) 08:45, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

The issues of the papacy are almost all covered in the Inferno, and that article more than covers the controversy. That work doesn't fully cover it either; it is most fully detailed in Dante's Latin treatise De Monarchia.

To say that the whole work of the Commedia "means" that the popes carry the blame for Italian divisions is absurdly reductive, and to say so about the Purgatorio especially is ridiculous if not dishonest. Yes, Dante spleens against the Popes and prefers Kings in the Inferno and Paradiso, but only a couple of Popes show up in the Purgatorio, most of whom are condemned for non-civil sins. This is a complex and wide work of art; its concerns with the papacy is one of its many political concerns.--Artimaean (talk) 23:05, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup

I've just completed a cleanup and expansion of Inferno, Purgatorio, and Paradiso, making grammar, style, and layout consistent; and adding extra material, references, quotes, and some carefully-chosen images. I think we still need thematic material in the Divine Comedy article on issues (e.g. politics) that can be found throughout the poem. -- Radagast3 (talk) 01:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Date please

When was it written? ~E74.60.29.141 (talk) 04:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

There's no way to know for sure. Boccaccio is unreliable, and there are no contemporary manuscripts of certain identity. Sometime between 1308 and 1321 the whole of the Commedia was written and most accept the theory that the Inferno was written on the earlier part of that period, with Purgatorio and Paradiso appearing together either at the very end of Dante's life.--Artimaean (talk) 15:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

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Title Consistency

The Wikipedia pages for Inferno and Paradiso have titles that say "Inferno (Dante)" and "Paradiso (Dante)" respectively. However, this page's title only says "Purgatorio." For the sake of consistency, should this page's title be re-titled to "Purgatorio (Dante)" or would this be unneeded? Josapr (talk) 02:40, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

The 25th Canto has Statius reveal Aristotle's version of the Soul in the fetus

The 25th Canto has Statius reveal the Aristotlean three types of soul in the fetus: plant-like, like a sea-sponge, animal or locomotive, and finally intellectual, when the brain's functions are perfected. (This would be around the 4th or 5th month of development). What does this mean for the abortion debate of today.

Says the CliffsNotes on the Purgatorio p85: "To begin at the beginning he [Statius] explains the relation of body and soul beginning with the act of procreation. A special kind of refined blood, passing from male to female, starts the creation of a human being. The first phase is the development of the vegetative facility, then the sensitive facility. At the moment of birth, God breathes into the infant the intellectual facility, thus forming a complete soul" Endo999 (talk) 23:54, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 25 April 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 03:42, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

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Purgatorio → Purgatorio (Dante)Purgatorio (Dante) – for consistency with Inferno (Dante) and Paradiso (Dante) ~2026-78578-2 (talk) 21:13, 25 April 2026 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). ~2026-78578-2 (talk) 22:49, 25 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 20:03, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose, unnecessary disambiguation. 162 etc. (talk) 17:12, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

It might actually be worth considering making Inferno and especially Paradiso the primary topic for those titles. Ladtrack (talk) 03:11, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

• Mild Oppose. Inferno and Paradiso are dab pages with numerous entries, while Purgatorio is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of a brief Purgatorio (disambiguation) page which contains only one other (stub) entry and two WP:DABMENTIONS. However, if consensus were to prefer Purgatorio → Purgatorio (Dante), paired with Purgatorio (disambiguation) → Purgatorio, I would not oppose. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:04, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose. Dante's Purgatorio is the primary topic for Purgatorio. It has a massive pageviews lead over all other dab page entries combined and long-term significance. We do not add unnecessary disambiguation simply for symmetry or consistency with other articles whose titles require disambiguation (although I agree it may be worth looking into whether Dante's other works do need this). —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 21:42, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.