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• Battle of Vellore

The Battle of Vellore, fought between the Chola king Parantaka I and the Pandya king Maravarman Rajasimha II (with support from Sri Lanka), resulted in a Chola victory

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https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.16035/page/172/mode/1up Itsmethunder9783 (talk) 20:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

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• Battle of Vallala

The Battle of Vallala, also known as the Battle of Tiruvallam, was fought in 916 CE between the Cholas and the Rashtrakutas. The Chola king Parantaka I led his forces to victory against the Rashtrakuta king Krishna II. This battle took place near the village of Vallala, which is located in present-day Andhra Pradesh

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https://archive.org/details/CholasI/page/n243/mode/1up?view=theater

https://archive.org/details/in.gov.ignca.16035/page/172/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/historicalinscri035270mbp/page/n11/mode/1up Itsmethunder9783 (talk) 20:15, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Sri Lankan Expedition By Parantaka I And its details

@Ranithraj Cholas by Nilkantha sastri pg 153 -154 ‘ We have seen already that some time after 945 A. D., Parantaka experienced a repulse in Ceylon and failed to take from Udaya IV the Pandyan diadem. We must now turn to a narration of the occurrences elsewhere that must have had no small share in forcing Parantaka to give up the fight in Ceylon and acquiesce in his failure.’ Sastri clearly mentions they failed plus this invasion was done to get pandya regalia back not to conquer Anuradhapura kingdom also they tried to invade south of SL but had to retreat back to India with loot only and Anuradhapura kingdom was taken back swiftly by the Sinhalese.

Pandya kingdom by Nilkantha sastri pg-82 ‘ This was the ruin of Rajasimha and the empire that had been reared by generations of his ancestors Madura was lost and Rajasimha had to flee to Ceylon. There he made pitiful efforts to regain his fortune and, if we may follow the Mahavamsa account, which is confirmed by the later Chola inscriptions of Rajendra I, Rajasimha after some fruitless waiting despaired of gaining anything by his stay in Ceylon, left behind his crown and other regalia (thapetva makutadini) and betook himself to the Kerala country, the home of his mother Vanavan-mahadevi (gato Keralasantikam). Such was the end of the First Empire of the Pandyas, whose political fortunes we have traced through these two chapters. These last scenes may be placed about A.D 920. Parantaka I Chola made an attempt late in his reign to capture the Pândya's makuta from the Ceylonese ruler and faled (c. A.D. 943), but this was actually' accomplished later by the more fortunate Rajendra.’ You are using the sources which I added but stripped its actual content

The politics of plunder: The Cholas in Eleventh century Ceylon pg 408-409’

Unable to recoup his losses, Rajasimha finally fled to Ceylon with his imperial regalia some time during the reign of Dappula Iv (923-934) and sought refuge at the Ceylonese court. But Rajasimha apparently became a victim of the factional politics at the Anurädhapura court, because he abruptly left for Kerala. leaving his regalia behind.

Yet the humiliation of Rajasimha did not mean total victory for the Cholas; indeed, the incompleteness of their conquest of the Pandyan domain impelled them to undertake further adventures in northern Ceylon. According to the Chronicle, Paräntaka eventually sought to have himself crowned in Madurai in order to confirm his conquest of Pandyamandalam, but was unable to do so in the proper fashion because of the absence of the Pandyan regalia. When the Ceylonese king, Udaya Iv (940-953), refused to surrender them, Parantaka used this refusal as a pretext for launching a new invasion of Ceylon, defeating Udaya's forces, and pillaging the countryside. But Udaya retreated southward with the Pandyan regalia into the wilds of Rohana: and the frustrated Chola forces had to depart without them. Although the Chola troops made off with other booty, the Chronicle claims that this plunder was subsequently recovered by a counter-expedition against the mainland." Even Spencer has talked about Parantaka I failure to get the regalia plus does not mention about them conquering any kingdom.

As per sources there’s no proof of any support towards the info you have added in so before you do any constructive edits regarding this topic please discuss it in the talk page plus stop adding info which isn’t even in the specific page you have cited. Thanks TeenX808 (talk) 03:07, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Also I didn’t see K.K Pilay was used as a source let me also add it here.

K.K Pilay South India and Ceylon pg-62-63 ‘Several years afterwards, Paräntaka I thought of celebrating his triumph over the Pandyas by holding a coronation ceremony at Madurai. It was then that he learnt about the Pandyan crown and the king's necklace having been left in Ceylon by Rajasimha II.Therefore, Paräntaka thought of recovering them from Ceylon.The Culavamsa provides a vivid account of Parantaka's effort.'At the outset Paräntaka sent messengers to the Ceylon king asking for the surrender of the Pandyan crown and the necklace.Udaya I V, whose reign extended from A.D. 945 to 953, was notorious for his indolence and intemperance. He did not pay any heed to the request of the Chola king, who therefore equipped a large army and sent it to Ceylon in order to secure the Pandyan crown and necklace by force.. The Chola army progressed well at first and succeeded in killing the Sinhalese Senapati in battle. But soon after, Udaya, taking the Pandyan crown, proceeded to Rohana. The Chola troops tried to marcha gainst Rohana but finding it difficult to enter that territory, turned back and returned to their own country. Thus Parantaka's effort to secure the Pandyan crown and the necklace of the king ended in failure.’ Which part has K.K Pilay said he Conquered or succeeded on this conquest and at the end he clearly says ‘it ended in failure’ stop using actual sources and then faking info inside the source. Thanks TeenX808 (talk) 03:30, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

You are again misleading my statement. I said Cholas succeeded in conquering and capturing the Anuradhapura kingdom but they couldn't capture pandyan crown.

Let's me explain my source

1. Spencer "When the Ceylonese king, Udaya Iv (940-953), refused to surrender them, Parantaka used this refusal as a pretext for launching a new invasion of Ceylon, defeating Udaya's forces, and pillaging the countryside. But Udaya retreated southward with the Pandyan regalia into the wilds of Rohana"

he clearly said Parantaka defeated Udaya forces pillage country side, udaya went to Rohana . It clearly proves Cholas conquered and captured Anuradhapura kingdom . Then Cholas couldn't take Pandyan crown and retreated back to chola country with booties. I am not faking anything. It's you who couldn't understand simple things.

2. Trustworthiness of Mahavamsa , wilhelm griger pg. 221

"although the Colas were victorious in battle and conquered the northern provinces, Udaya succeeded in escaping to Rohana with the crown and other treasures.The victorious Cola king was no doubt again Parantaka I (907-947), mentioned above, for he calls himself in his latest inscriptions conqueror of Ilam i.e, Ceylon."

This one clearly mentioned that Cholas conquered Northern provinces. But couldn't capture crown. Can't you read?

3. Pillay

" The Chola army progressed well at first and succeeded in killing the Sinhalese Senapati in battle. But soon after, Udaya, taking the Pandyan crown, proceeded to Rohana. The Chola troops tried to marcha gainst Rohana but finding it difficult to enter that territory, turned back and returned to their own country. Thus Parantaka's effort to secure the Pandyan crown and the necklace of the king ended in failure."

Again here cholas succeeded in killing the senapati in battle and udaya retreat to Rohana. It obviously proves Chola conquered Anuradhapura . But cholas couldn't take crown in rohana.

Sastry explained that Cholas failed to take crown and he didn't say Cholas failed to take Anuradhapura kingdom.

My point is clear, in this invasion, Cholas defeated udayas army and killed senapati and conquered Anuradhapura and udaya retreated to rohana. Till the Cholas return to Chola country Anuradhapura was under Cholas as Cholas conquered it. But Cholas couldn't capture the crown which was indeed captured by Rajendra Chola.

Read all the sources I mentioned and understand it well. Ranithraj (talk) 08:31, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

@Ranithraj -Again not a single one of the so called sources except trustworthiness of mahawansa says conquered but simply defeated Udaya forces and there’s few reasons why Parantaka I had to retreat also trust worthiness of mahawansa violates WP:Age Matters either provide more reliable sources which specifies conquered or stay away from making constructive edits regarding the topic

Also Parantaka I did not stop after defeating udayas forces he kept on pushing towards south so he couldn’t establish a control on Anuradhapura kingdom also there’s a mention of udayas forces forcing him to retreat to chola territory also Spencer and several other historians have mentioned this event TeenX808 (talk) 15:53, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

"Again not a single one of the so called sources except trustworthiness of mahawansa says conquered but simply defeated Udaya forces and there’s few reasons why Parantaka I had to retreat also trust worthiness of mahawansa violates WP:Age Matters"

You need to read the sources again.

1. Spencer "When the Ceylonese king, Udaya Iv (940-953), refused to surrender them, Parantaka used this refusal as a pretext for launching a new invasion of Ceylon, defeating Udaya's forces, and pillaging the countryside. But Udaya retreated southward with the Pandyan regalia into the wilds of Rohana"

he clearly said Parantaka defeated Udaya forces pillage country side, udaya went to Rohana . It clearly proves Cholas conquered and captured Anuradhapura kingdom . He conquered the kingdom by defeating Udaya forces . After the conquest he pillaged the countryside. It is very clear that he conquered Anuradhapura kingdom, it's you who can't understand the things

2.Pillay

" The Chola army progressed well at first and succeeded in killing the Sinhalese Senapati in battle. But soon after, Udaya, taking the Pandyan crown, proceeded to Rohana. The Chola troops tried to marcha gainst Rohana but finding it difficult to enter that territory, turned back and returned to their own country. Thus Parantaka's effort to secure the Pandyan crown and the necklace of the king ended in failure."

Again here we can find from above cholas conquered anuradhapura and succeeded in killing the senapati in battle(happened in anuradhapura) and udaya retreat to Rohana. It obviously proves Chola conquered Anuradhapura.

Trustworthiness of Mahavamsa was written in 1930 by wilhelm Griger he also translated the Mahavamsa. His thoughts are supported by other historians like Sastry in 1955 Colas book he referenced Griger, 1963 the so called South India and Ceylon book , again this author too referenced Griger . Also I see you have added many sources older than this in your articles, if they don't violate Age matters then this won't .Also you referenced Sastry 1937 Colas volume 1 which is only 7 years newer to this one . If that is acceptable why not this. And this source is not even 100 years old, Again Griger thoughts are supported by other historians like Sastry and pilay. so we can consider this source.

"either provide more reliable sources which specifies conquered or stay away from making constructive edits regarding the topic"

You should stay away from this article who can't even understand what it is written.

"Also Parantaka I did not stop after defeating udayas forces he kept on pushing towards south so he couldn’t establish a control on Anuradhapura kingdom "

Parantaka 1 army captured anuradhapura and entered South. After establishing control over Anuradhapura , they entered south.

Simple logic here, udaya was Anuradhapura king and after his army was defeated and he went to Rohana who controls anuradhapura? It's obvious Cholas controlled it until they withdraw to Chola country.

"there’s a mention of udayas forces forcing him to retreat to chola territory also Spencer and several other historians have mentioned this event"

Spencer didn't say udaya forcing him to retreat. It's Rashtrakuta invasion that made Cholas to withdraw to Chola country. Don't mislead Spencer.

I also want to add another source

4. Wijetunga Rise and decline of Chola power in Ceylon pg. 95

"But at the battle which followed

between the two armies, the Sinhalese were badly defeated and the commander was killed. Udaya, when informed of the disaster, hastily moved to Rohana, taking with him all the treasures, including the Pandyan regalia. The victorious Colas pursued the Sinhalese right up to Rohana, but before they could lay their hands on the king or the treasures, they had to make a hasty retreat. They had to turn back presumably because of tidings of some grave developments in the Cola country itself. The Culavamsa, of course, avers that the invasion was called off owing to their inability to penetrate into Rohana’ It is inconceivable that tlie defences of Rohana would have been so formidable that they could have withstood the Colas."

"Pg.93 The sudden withdrawal of the Colas was probably due to the invasion of the Cola empire by Krishna about 948-9 A.C."

Above it shows sinhalese were badly defeated and retreated, it shows Chola conquered Anuradhapura.

Also it proves Rashtrakuta invasion is the reason for retreat. Ranithraj (talk) 08:09, 7 August 2025 (UTC)