Talk:Mediterranean climate

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Fruit “trees“

On the paragraph of fruit trees, you wrote grapes, which are obviously not trees, and olives which are commonly mistaken for trees, but are actually shrubs. I suggest you to write Fruit plants , instead of the word trees. דולב חולב (talk) 15:41, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I live in a Cs- like region and here Olive plants are definitly trees. dont know about grapes though.PAper GOL (talk) 20:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Grapes are definitely not trees, same for olives דולב חולב (talk) 14:27, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@דולב חולב Neither the word tree nor the word shrub are strictly defined, and choosing an arbitrary line to delineate them is not helpful. Olives may not fit your definition of tree, but they do fit most colloquial and technical definitions, and are very rarely called an 'olive shrub'. This is also the case in most Mediterranean countries, where the word 'tree' is embedded into the word for the olive plant (see Greek ελαιόδεντρο and Turkish zeytin ağacı). Uness232 (talk) 14:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

It’s because those countries aren’t featuring a lot of real tall trees. But from what I’ve learned, the 10 meters definition is well agreed upon. דולב חולב (talk) 14:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

No real tall trees in Turkey??!

And olives are 100% trees in my homeland. I know what I saw. They are called olive trees all the time.PAper GOL (talk) 14:28, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@דולב חולב Both Greece and Turkey do indeed have areas with a proper, tall forest canopy, and as Paper GOL implied, this is most apparent in Turkey. Even if we don't count the temperate rainforest stretching across the northern part of the country, heavy winter rainfall in much of Aegean and Mediterranean Turkey permits growth of forests dominated by Pinus brutia, a tree with a canopy above 30m in primary forests. Furthermore, due to the rather sharp gradient between marine and continental climates in Turkey (unlike Spain, for example); transitional regions where forest landscapes are not possible but olives can be grown are incredibly rare, only really appearing in primary form in and around rain-shadowed areas near the coast (see Mersin). See the maps included in this paper for the unique state of Turkey compared to Spain or Greece.

The 10 meter definition is one definition out of many, which is why the Olive article describes the plant as "a small tree of shrub". Uness232 (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Anyway, you cannot write “fruit trees” and include grapes and figs in it.

I think a word like plants or crops would fit better. דולב חולב (talk) 16:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Wording

@Uness232 if the problem with my edit is only a matter of wording, than I’d love if you could do it yourself. דולב חולב (talk) 14:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

It's also a matter of sourcing, along with questionable need for such a statement. Uness232 (talk) 00:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Color for Csa is impossible to see in illustrations.

When looking at Csa in the diagrams (maps) the Csa color is nearly impossible to distinguish from the background grey color. For examples:

• Köppen_climate_classification#/media/File:Koppen-Geiger_Map_C_present.svg
• Mediterranean_climate#/media/File:Cs_climate.png
• Mediterranean_climate#/media/File:Koppen-Geiger_Map_Csa_present.svg

I posted an inquiry about this issue at Talk:Köppen_climate_classification#Color_for_Csa_is_impossible_to_see_in_illustrations

If you have any ideas, please comment there. Noleander (talk) 04:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

What are the properties of the device you are using?

Because I'm fine with those yellow like pixels.PAper GOL (talk) 10:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Recent edits by IP & how to proceed

@TugaMissionario I appreciate the external input, but you've reverted to the newer version when there has been no consensus established. Before the dispute ends (if and when there's a dispute), I would think that the version should ideally be WP:QUO. The current situation is also quite dire; it's not simply two editors arguing over their preferred versions. The IP that insists Galicia to be entirely Cfb can not be brought to argue on the talk page, does not respond when confronted with sources, does not give up when a second person has reverted their edits . There has also not been another watcher that has responded to this, and the IP keeps changing IPs, so the shape of the dispute has become quite ugly.

Per WP:QUO, could you change the version back to the status quo ante bellum? Uness232 (talk) 10:48, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

Have you considered asking for page protection, to at least encourage them to this talk page? WP:RPP

You could also try building your case here solo, so that in the event of admin involvement you can at least show that you were trying to get them to discuss their issues? SuperFastSpellChecker (talk) 14:31, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

In case of a WP:RPP intervention, lack of widespread involvement usually means that the dispute gets read as content-based, and the request gets turned down.

As for the case, there's not much to build. The primary claim of the IP is that Galicia has a Cfb climate, not Csb. Yet Beck et. al's recent global mapping shows that Galicia is mostly Csb: the Spanish portion of that map is actually in the very article that the IP keeps changing! The "rule" the IP invokes, that according to the Köppen classification, winters have to be 10 times wetter than summers for a location to be Mediterranean, is non-existent. The recent surveys use "40mm in a summer month and at least 3 times as much rain in winter than in summer". This isn't controversial really. Uness232 (talk) 16:24, 19 August 2026 (UTC)