Talk:Makran

Al Tabri

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Substantial quotes in this article are taken from Al Tabri who lived from 838 to 923 AD . The following informations is taken from wikipedia articles regarding Tabri and his works .

History of the Prophets and Kings by Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari

The History of the Prophets and Kings (Persian: تاریخ طبری , Arabic: تاريخ الرسل والملوك Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Muluk, popularly known Tarikh al-Tabari) is a historical chronicle written by Persian author and historian Ibn Jarir al-Tabari d. 310H (838-923) from the Creation to AD 915,

Content

The introduction of this work itself states :

“ Let the reader be aware that whatever I mention in my book is relied on the news that were narrated by some men. I had attributed these stories to their narrators, without inferring anything from their incidents ... . ”

“ If a certain man gets horrified by a certain incident that we reported in our book, then let him know that it did not come from us, but we only wrote down what we received from the narrators ”

The main purpose of Tabari was to write history according to the science of narration. That is to say he quotes the narrator without interfering in anway.

Tabari wrote history, theology and Qur'anic commentary. His legal writings were published first and then continued to appear throughout his life. Next were his commentaries on the Qur'an. Lastly, his history was published. Despite a style that makes it seem he drew largely on oral sources, written material (both published and unpublished) provided him with the bulk of his information.

Cosequently the content sourced from Tabri in this article needs to be removed

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Intothefire (talk) 07:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Kindly tell me sir, then how was Karman, the leader of the first expedition killed in the expedition and even after his death, his army defeated Sind, in an age when the death of the commander destroys the army. Also, another point to note is that Persia fell in 651 AD to Muslims, Spain in 718 and Sind in 721 AD. If it turned out that occupying Makran and it's suporting Sind was such easy, then why did the Muslims sent numerous expeditions (I may be wrong for the exact number, but the minimum is 8) to occupy that kingdom? Did it give such a great resistance? The Muslims were able to reach Spain covering all Africa but were not interested in the east? That too in the direction where India and China lie, with their main aim being converting as many Kafirs as possible? Or were they unable to? It's a different case that the son of Dahir reconquered Sind from the Arabs. One thing the author conveniently forgot was when a member of the raid party asked a native how stong is the region, hereplies if a small army comes, we will destroy it and if a large army comes, that will be starved. Another thing, Alexander lost more soldiers in Makran than the total number of soldiers he lost in all Asia till date. That was Makran. Kindly rectify the points. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.132.198 (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of referenced Content from this article

Usualphonexs you have wholesale deleted large sections of referenced content from the article on 2 October 2010.
Whereas you mention in your Edit Summary: historical references. Please provide proper links to the claims. I hope this was an oversight , because the content I had provided was replete with references from reliable secondary sources .
Intothefire (talk) 12:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

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I'm removing this bit from the article "After the fall of the Achaemenid Empire, Alexander the Great also crossed Maka in his campaign of conquest. His army marched through a harsh desert path in Makran, where he lost a significant number of soldiers but did not come across any Baloch forces, encountering only a few coastal inhabitants. This harsh desert path of Alexander is often mistaken as representing the whole of the Makran region."

Because there were no Baluchi's during the time of Alexander's the great campagins, nor any mention of any defeat by of Alexander by such people. The Baluch only migrated to Baluchistan around the 13th century and onwards. Akmal94 (talk) 07:41, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I have edited out the offending portions . -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:05, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

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Map

Is the photo of a book cover really the best map available on Wikipedia for this Article? Surly a map of Pakistan with the area highlighted would be better? ---185.13.50.210 (talk) 12:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Makran, Iran

As Iran is considering moving the capital from Tehran to the Makran coast, a map of the Makran region in Iran would be a good idea ---~2025-32349-50 (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 20 July 2026

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 18:53, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

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Makran → MakuranMakuran – Makuran: Makran is now Makuran. The official English spelling for the Makran division in Balochistan was recently updated to Makuran by the provincial government. Safeer Zaman (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2026 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Safeer Zaman (talk) 08:43, 20 July 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. 1isall (talk | contribs) 09:55, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

The titles of Wikipedia articles rely on the most commonly used name in reliable sources, not the official name (though an official name can still be used if it is also the most commonly used name in sources). See WP:COMMONNAME. — EarthDude (Talk) 10:52, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

Oppose for now per EarthDude's comment. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:12, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. This article is about the historical region, not a specific modern administrative district. Walrasiad (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2026 (UTC)

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Requested move 31 August 2026

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 01:26, 7 September 2026 (UTC)

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Makran → MakuranMakuran – Makuran: The official spelling of “Makran” has been changed to “Makuran”. Further google searches reflects the same. Safeer Zaman (talk) 05:43, 31 August 2026 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Safeer Zaman (talk) 06:39, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

Oppose per the same reasons last month. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:16, 31 August 2026 (UTC)

Oppose, this article is about a historical region, not an administrative unit like Makuran Division. -- Kapulakone (talk) 07:14, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

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