Talk:Ignatius Aphrem II

Iraq

The patriarch is currently in talks with the Kurds and meeting with local Christians in Northern Iraq. http://www.syrian-orthodox.com/readnews.php?id=1756 Mugsalot (talk) 08:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 4 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 13:51, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

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Ignatius Aphrem II of Antioch → Ignatius Aphrem II – No clear reason for the "of Antioch" suffix pretention representation in Wikipedia article title (compare Patriarch of Antioch) Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:37, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

• Support; There is no article which would necessitate the use of the suffix. Mugsalot (talk) 14:30, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: I notice this reverses a previous move 06:54, 24 July 2016‎ Eldhorajan92 (talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (59 bytes) (+59)‎ . . (Eldhorajan92 moved page Ignatius Aphrem II to Ignatius Aphrem II Of Antioch: Ignatius Aphrem II is the primate of syrian orthodox church of antioch and all the east.) Eldhorajan92 last edited on 29 October 2016. Andrewa (talk) 07:45, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Ignatius Aphrem II/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Warriorglance (talk · contribs) 10:32, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Reviewer: AirshipJungleman29 (talk · contribs) 11:50, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

I'll take this review as you have a good review/nominations ratio. Keep it up! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:50, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

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General comments

• Article is stable, focused, and broad. Images are suitably licensed, relevant, and with suitable captions. File:Patriarch Zakka with Deacon Aphrem Karim.jpg is a little unclear, but you can't have everything.
• I have done some copyedits, especially to the infobox, to resolve a couple of issues. Let me know if you disagree with anything.
• There are a couple of citation needed tags which need resolving. References 1 and 6 appear to be identical.

Y Fixed

• There are several single-line paragraphs or short sections, which could be better integrated with the surrounding material to create a more readable flow.

Tried to do it, if there is anything more, please tell me

• Lead needs to be expanded to cover his activities as the patriarch (see MOS:LEADREL). I'd suggest merging the second and third paragraphs, and expanding the last.

I have expanded it, please check and tell me whether i should add more.

• I will conduct a source spotcheck shortly. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:55, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 Thanks a lot for taking this up for review, I will do my best to improve the article based on your comments. However, As I am currently a little busy in life, it will take some time. I apologize for the delay. Warriorglance(talk to me) 15:19, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

Thank you Warriorglance. My maximum deadline for a GA review is a month, so 10 June. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:07, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Source spotcheck

This table lists 11 random passages from throughout the article (20.4% of 54 total passages). These passages contain 11 inline citations (17.7% of 62 in the article). Generated with the Veracity user script. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:05, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

Reference #	Letter	Source	Archive	Status	Notes
Saʿid Karim was born on May 3, 1965, in Qamishli, located in northeastern Syria. He was the youngest son of Issa and Khanema Karim.
1	a	syrianorthodoxchurch.org	web.archive.org
After graduating in 1982, he served as an assistant to Archbishop Mor Gregorios Yuhanna Ibrahim in Aleppo, Syria.
5		virginmarynj.org	web.archive.org		Both the source and archive links seem to be inaccessible. Could you provide quotes? I have updated the archive link and also added another citation to it.Warriorglance(talk to me) 10:04, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
He assumed the episcopal name Cyril, arrived in the United States on 2 March 1996, and was formally installed at St. Mark's Syriac Orthodox Cathedral in Teaneck, New Jersey, as Mor Cyril Aphrem Karim.
6	c	syrianorthodoxchurch.org			"He assumed the episcopal name Cyril" is not verified by the cited source. The rest is fine. YReplaced it. Warriorglance(talk to me) 10:04, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
Aphrem adopted the patriarchal name Ignatius, replacing his episcopal name Cyril, and became the second patriarch to bear the monastic name Aphrem. Aphrem II decided not to include his family name, Karim, in his official title unlike his immediate predecessors.
13		ssjc.uk
The patriarch also visited displaced Christians and refugee camps in Shaqlawa, where Patriarchal Liturgy was served along with special prayers.
22		theorthodoxchurch.info	web.archive.org		"where Patriarchal Liturgy was served along with special prayers" is not verified by the source. The rest is fine. YDeleted it. Warriorglance(talk to me) 10:04, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
In 2024, Aphrem II received Catholicos-Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East Mar Awa III in Erbil during a meeting in September, which was also attended by Bashar Warda of the Chaldean Catholic Church.
23		syriacpress.com
During the visit, Aphrem II remarked the great amount of progress made in the region, and his presence greatly boosted the morale of Assyrians in Turkey.
30		assyriapost.com
In 2016, Aphrem II claimed "Russia has given hope to the people of Syria," in support of the Russian military intervention in Syria during the Syrian Civil War.
37		economist.com
In the statement, they wrote of the "dangerous escalation of violence, brutality, and killings, resulting in attacks on innocent civilians, including women and children" and called for a relaxation of conditions to further the stable transition of the country.
41		puertasabiertas.org
The patriarch's name consists of the clerical name Ignatius in honor of the martyr Ignatius of Antioch, a tradition of the patriarchs of Antioch starting with the accession of Ignatius Behnam of Hadl in 1445,
43	a	sor.cua.edu	web.archive.org		The source says the tradition started with the accession of Yousef in 1293 YFixed it. Warriorglance(talk to me) 10:04, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
Being the Patriarch of the Syriac Orthodox Church, Aphrem II has previously spoken of the Aramaic roots and identity of the church, as well as his home country of Syria. However, in an interview with Assyria TV, he affirmed that the church's adherents should unite under one label ("Suryoye") outside of the Assyrian and Aramean designations that are used outside of the church's space, taking a more neutral stance on the Assyrian naming dispute. He also explained that he would not allow any political organization to represent the church by default.
47		assyriatv.org			Timestamp needed for this long video. I am unable to understand the video since I can't speak Arabic or Syriac, are there any other options? I'm pretty much sure that the video contains the stuff said in the paragraph above. Warriorglance(talk to me) 10:04, 19 May 2026 (UTC) I'll AGF. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:40, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Some issues thrown up by the source spotcheck and the general check. I'll put this on hold so they can be addressed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:18, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29 I have gone through your review and fixed most of the issues you raised, I have added comments in some. Please check it when you are free. Warriorglance(talk to me) 10:07, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

• @AirshipJungleman29: In case you didn't see the above. Z1720 (talk) 16:51, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

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