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Q1: Why is Grover Cleveland listed as the 22nd AND 24th President? It doesn't make sense for him to be counted twice!

A1: It's how the U.S. government has always done it. We can only use verifiable material from reliable sources, and all of the sources list Cleveland as the 22nd and 24th President. It's not up to us to develop new numbering systems.

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Restrictive / Non-Restrictive Clause

[...] the only president in American history to serve two nonconsecutive terms in office from 1885 to 1889 and from 1893 to 1897.

A COMMA (or a colon) SHOULD BE INSERTED - AFTER THE WORD "OFFICE." Otherwise, the sentence appears to be claiming that Cleveland was the only president to serve two nonconsecutive terms IN THOSE PERIODS OF TIME.

$1000 bill

Latest comment: 1 month ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Is a misnomer, because it's worth millions now. ~2026-52628-81 (talk) 23:44, 30 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

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FA reassessment

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I was looking to add a reference to Historical rankings of presidents of the United States since the article was sans one despite one of the subarticles (Second presidency of Grover Cleveland) and I was going to add the sentence, "Surveys of scholars and political scientists typically ranked him favorably, however, in the 21st century, his rankings have declined closer to the median."

Because of MOS:LEADCITE, I was looking for a "Legacy" or "Historical reputation" section to source and elaborate on and that's when I noticed there was none, failing criterion 1(b).
It also has a five-paragraph lead, failing 2a.
It also just barely fails 4 since, per WP:CANYOUREADTHIS, 10,000 words is the accepted cap for article length, with this article having a readable prose size of 10,060.

Somewhat similar to Theodore Roosevelt, the justification for it was almost completely WP:LIKE. It, unfortunately, does not meet the criteria for FA anymore, and I found this out because I was trigger-happy about the U. S. presidential historical rankings. IIikewolves (talk) 10:54, 30 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

I understand that the FA criteria applied in 2008 were different from those used today. But the objections you raise don't look very strong:

The lack of a "Legacy" or "Historical reputation" section has nothing to do with FA criterion 1(b), which is about "facts" and "details".
WP:CANYOUREADTHIS is not part of the FA criteria. Comparing Grover Cleveland with George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, which were promoted to FA in 2025, it is not worse. Having said that, I would be interested to see what ideas you have for trimming it or reorganizing things so that some material is in articles about subtopics rather than in the main article.
The lead is indeed longer than one expects. Shortening it, if desirable, should be a much smaller task than a FAR.

Bruce leverett (talk) 14:45, 30 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

I would argue that excluding a section that is typically existent on an article about a figure as important as Cleveland would (i) fall under "major facts or details" and (ii) "[place] the subject in context". Other presidents around the time such as Benjamin Harrison also have sections dedicated to their legacy; Cleveland not having one would mean excluding a lot of information about him. But I do understand that it might not directly break the criterion. IIikewolves (talk) 15:08, 30 October 2026 (UTC)Reply