Talk:George Fox

George Fox Photo

I'm pretty sure the top picture in the article is of Christopher Holder (1594 - 1688). According to Ancestry.com he was a Quaker activist in Massachusetts after he left England. Ladybug62 (talk) 21:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Are you sure? It's a portrait from Friends House Library on Euston Rd in London clearly marked as George Fox. I recall it from going to LYM with grandparents as a kid. There's a much wider discussion to be had by the Friends Historical Society and the library staff beyond the realm of wiki if you can prove this. Me.Autem.Minui (talk) 06:15, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

Evangelical Protestant Sidebar

DuncanHill, you are right that non WP:BIDIRECTIONAL links were summarily added to this new unrequested sidebar regarding Fox and Quakerism, but the sidebar is allegedly about Evangelicalism, and as Quakers are, at best, proto-evangelical or "evangelical-like" as Bebbington calls them, they are not tightly integrated with such a sidebar, which must be a collation of tightly integrated pages. As Bebbington says, "Evangelical religion is a popular Protestant movement that has existed in Britain since the 1730s." The word "evangelical" is not even on this page, because it is not a term that applies to Fox. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:15, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

@Sirfurboy: Discussion about the content of the template belongs on Template talk:Evangelical Protestantism sidebar. DuncanHill (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

No, that is incorrect, per WP:SIDEBAR:

If a disagreement should arise, please centralize discussion at the article talk page, not that of the template.

This is the correct venue. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:43, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

David W. Bebbington (it is very bad manners just to throw a surname into a discussion) also says "the Quakers had become accepted as part of the Evangelical world". But it's really just an argument about definition, and not one that I can be bothered with. Enjoy opening a discussion on the talk page of every article on the list! DuncanHill (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

He says they became accepted as part of the Evangelical world in the nineteenth century. And even that has caveats, because in the previous century, he says "The Society, standing apart even from the Dissenting mainstream in the eighteenth century, had cherished its own highly distinctive spirituality, drawing heavily on earlier mystical and hermetic strands in European thought." And thus, in the nineteenth century, with the question of whether the doctrine of the inward light could be squared with Evangelical crucicentrism and a belief in salvation through the atonement of Christ, many of the New evangelical Quakers found themselves repudiating the inward light doctrine. Quakerism never was and is not tightly integrated with the subject of Evangelicalism. That it has an affinity is certainly true, but that is not what a SIDEBAR is for. And, in any case, this page is about George Fox. Whatever happened to Quakerism in the nineteenth century is entirely irrelevant to this page, which does not mention Evangelicalism at all, because Fox died 43 years before the movement began. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2026 (UTC)