Talk:G.R.L.

Lineup debate

A lot of people keep removing former members of the group, simply stating they "weren't part of the group", yet they were at some point or another, whether under the PCD name or the G.R.L. imprint. Most of them appeared in the Godaddy.com advertisements, which therefore proves they were in the group at one point, so removing them is erasing their involvement with the group, no matter how small or big. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 15:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Since this page is specifically about the music group, it is only necessary to list members that were part of the music group at some point. The group said in an interview once that they all signed the contract to be part of the group in March 2013, days after Estrada's inclusion. This would mean that all of the other past members were not contracted to be in the group. It is the exact same case as The Pussycat Dolls. Only contracted former members of the music group are listed. Asia Nitollano performed with the group once, but was never contractually obligated to join the group, therefore she is not listed. Furthermore, Mejia and Branche were never announced as part of the group. Appearing in promotional photos with the line-up at the time does not indicate official involvement. Additionally, Jenkins, Curry, Sayers and the aforementioned duo are still mentioned in one of the sections. DantODB (talk) 06:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

But several of them appeared in the Godaddy.com commercial, which means they were in some form, part of the group, contract or not. They've all been mentioned, and/or seen in media that advertised the group; and DantODB, removing them from the infobox while this conversation carries on is in violation of the rules on consensus, they have to stay there until consensus has been reached. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 17:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

For the time being, Branche and Mejia should be removed from the infobox since promotional photos from various parties do not indicate involvement and there were no official confirmation that they were part of the group. Furthermore, since this article is about the music group, it would be best to put only members of the music group in the infobox. Robin Antin, Cyia Batten, Kaya Jones and Kasey Campbell all appeared on the "Sway" music video with the Pussycat Dolls. Asia Nitollano performed as part of the group on television once, but since the Pussycat Dolls article is about the music group, it is only appropriate to put members and past members of the music group in the infobox. DantODB (talk) 07:17, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Dant, you're not understand, removing ANY of them while this discussion is happening, is against the consensus policy, as it shows you're attempting to gear the decision in your direction, instead of leaving it as it was when the discussion began, until a final decision is reached. If it's done again, I will be reporting it. As for their involvement, just because one article has something one way does not mean it's how it should be mirrored elsewhere; not how Wikipedia works as a public encyclopedia. Comparing that of G.R.L. to PCD is invalid, as there is only one G.R.L. page, while PCD has the burlesque group and recording group; G.R.L. was never a burlesque group. All of the girls were involved, at one point or another, within the group. Whether it be in promotional campaigns for advertisers or for other unspecified reasons. Confirmation was head, as Emmalyn stated Natalie left the group and was replaced, which implies her own involvement in the group as a recording facet. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 17:55, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

It is well-known that Robin Antin's girl groups go through a number of line-up changes before being finalized. It is only right to treat G.R.L. the same way we treat Antin's other recording groups. The Pussycat Dolls originally had ten people in the recording group, but the final line-up consisted of six. Additionally, the group had four new members that performed with Nicole as The Pussycat Dolls in 2010 but this was never regarded as official, since no commercial projects were done with this line-up. The Paradiso Girls also went through line-up changes before their debut single was released, but only members that did commercial projects are credited in the infobox. It should be the same way with this group. I would also like to point out that before the GoDaddy commercial, there was another line-up that is not even mentioned in the line-up changes section. I also feel that the former group members that took part when the group was still a new line-up of The Pussycat Dolls would be incorrect because G.R.L. was announced to be a different group from The Pussycat Dolls after Estrada's inclusion. DantODB (talk) 09:17, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

"Well known" to who, though? That's an assumption, and not what Wikipedia is about. You're providing me with run-around talk right now; there was a Godaddy.com commercial, which provides as commercial material and was confirmed as a debut for the GROUP, which therefore stands as a lineup for the group. Then changes were made post-commercial to the group, and were debuted elsewhere. Then more changes when some members left, due to pregnancy and other reasons. Whether they existed as a former PCD group, or a new group, they still existed and their existence cannot be ignored for whatever reasons you are seeing fit. Valid sources prove to see that the girls were part of the group, and therefore be mentioned. And once again, just because another page or pages do the same does the same thing, does NOT mean this page should follow suit, hence this discussion. And using that as a defense is not valid, per Wikipedia. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 14:58, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

None of the girls that were listed appear in any of the music videos or in any of the released songs, therefore they are not part of the group. 72.205.134.221 (talk) 09:21, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I do not understand why we cannot just follow how other girl groups credit their members if it is the exact same case. The GoDaddy commercial line-up would be inappropriate to be referred to as the debut for the music group, as it was not music-related. DantODB (talk) 13:04, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Because that is not how Wikipedia works, and being an editor since 2009, I would assume you would be aware of that. This isn't "What other pages do, we are going to do". And stop saying music-related. It was the group's lineup. There's only ONE group; there was never a burlesque group, etc. It's always been ONE group. There should be no differentiation. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 19:34, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Since this article is about a girl group, I think it would be inappropriate to list former members that never even did musical projects with the group in the infobox. I'm not taking away their involvement in the group; it's just that the mention of their involvement in a paragraph would be more appropriate than to credit them the same way Battle is credited, after having released an EP with the group. DantODB (talk) 17:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

But they were still part of the group, whether their involvement happened through musical releases are not; discrediting them their rightful place within the infobox is unfair. If people want to know why they're "past memebers", they can look within the article, which notes their appearance within the group and their leave from it. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 17:50, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

I think the other girls should be removed. Look at the Spice Girls. Michelle Stephenson, Abigail Kis or Lianne Morgan are not part of the bandbox--CHR!S (talk) 04:50, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Removed other girls again since the majority of the users on this post do not believe they should be included! Huge456 (talk) 20:40, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

agreed they should not be mentioned, though the user who keeps adding them threatened me with a block! 213.105.80.22 (talk) 20:42, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Vaction???

wasn't it the b-side for Ooh La La

Paula van Oppen capitalization per van (Dutch)

We currently have conflicting capitalization schemes. I'm gonna be WP:BOLD as per van (Dutch) and make all instances of the 'full' name "Paula van Oppen" have "van" in lower case but capitalize it for standalone surname only instances of "Van Oppen". Warmest Regards, :)—_thecurran Speak your mind ^{my past} 03:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Labels

GRLs new record label is LocoTalent. Someone please add this 😀 Musicgrls16 (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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G.R.L.?

Has anyone any idea what the abbreviation G.R.L. stands for? No answer in this article anyway... Hartenhof (talk) 06:22, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

So it's girl, obviously. I'm a bit slow... Hartenhof (talk) 12:26, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

G.R.L is no longer

G.R.L has disbanded so yall can go ahead and change that 2603:8098:1A40:5D9C:34DD:ED7E:B7D2:59FB (talk) 03:31, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

GA review

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Nominator: Launchballer (talk · contribs) 20:47, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

Reviewer: 1brianm7 (talk · contribs) 19:17, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

Reviewing per GARC142. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:17, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

@Launchballer: This is my second GA review, and in the first one I think I went a bit overboard on the GA criteria, so tell me if I'm doing so here! 1brianm7 (talk) 22:00, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

• It may be out of scope, but I don't really think G.R.L. discography should exist. All of its content can be moved over to this page, and IMO that would be better. Consider doing so.

I don't know, is the honest answer. I'm going to leave this until last.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• The USA Today reference is duplicated, ref 23 and 37, and neither have a date parameter

Merged. Is accessdate necessary when archivedate's filled in?--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I think its probably fine without. I meant that they don't have a publication date parameter. 1brianm7 (talk) 04:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Added.--Launchballer 20:37, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• I made some minor edits to the first sentence of the body.
• Evidently not enough, though: the word team did not contain the letter I - it still doesn't, to the best of my knowledge

Probably will get one at some point, but for now changed to 'does not'.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• I think the first paragraph is a bit confusing. We begin with the date it initially launched, before caveating that for a paragraph. We don't tell the reader that Antin formed Paradiso Girls or Girlicious, we don't tell the reader what The Pussycat Dolls are. its unclear what group Antin started holding auditions for, and we spend a lot of text with long introductions on members who left before the first single. also, and Laker Girl and Dallas Cowboys cheerleader Vanessa Curry and Erica Jenkins should probably have a respectively or something.

Added a sentence saying that Antin had put together Girlicious, Paradiso Girls, and The Pussycat Dolls. It's confusing because The Pussycat Dolls can refer to a pop group and a burlesque act; I've reworded to make this clearer.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

It reads much better now, thanks. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

• their June debut single "Vacation" on the label. - on the label in June, not June debut single

Fixed.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• G.R.L. released the single "Ugly Heart" and a self-titled EP in June and July - I think the articles chronology is sufficiently janky that we should spell out 2014, and also should there be a respectively

Added.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• less than a week before Battle died by suicide - this really shouldn't be dropped on the reader as an ancillary clause to Ugly Heart getting released in the UK

The reliable sources that discuss the song's UK chart position do so in relation to her death, so it makes sense to discuss them together. How would you word this?--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I would do something like "Battle died by suicide on xx. A week prior, the song charted at xx" - depends on whether sources say it as some sort of final accomplishment before tragedy, or as a response to the tragedy (e.g., the exact opposite to Ding-Dong!_The_Witch_Is_Dead#Death_of_Margaret_Thatcher 1brianm7 (talk) 04:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

The three RSes are , , and , but as I found another source I've reworked that section anyway.--Launchballer 20:37, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Reads much better now, my concern is resolved. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

• launch the firm's Campaign to Change Direction with Michelle Obama - which firm?

Give an Hour, G.R.L. Gives an Hour campaign was done in collaboration with them. I've reworded to make this clearer.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Ah, that makes more sense. Still not a huge fan of the current phrasing. Maybe do a descriptor of Give an Hour, like "mental health non-profit" (no clue if that is what it is) and do something like "and launch the non-profit's"

• Shortly after the former, Little Mix were accused of ripping off "Ugly Heart" for their single "Shout Out to My Ex",[30][31] prompting the band to defend themselves during a Belgian radio interview.[32][33] - the band is unclear here, we are referring to Little Mix but I thought it was referring to GRL. Also, does this need to be in a top-level overview of the group? The only relevance I've been able to spy is that a Little Mix member said that Emmalyn loved the song and that they were friends

Changed "the band". I think one of their songs being used in a megahit is certainly worth mentioning here, though have changed it for easier verification.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I've read the sources, and I think the only one that doesn't attribute it to social media users is capital fm, which isn't great. However, I do think the the GRL (deleted?) tweets make it relevant enough, not sure I love the sentence right now but I'm fine with it being mentioned. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:51, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

• After touring as a trio until 2020,[34] the pair briefly reunited with... - no comment needed

Reworded.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• Slayton used a July 2025 podcast appearance to blame money for the band's subsequent dissolution - the 2021 dissolution, or the 2015 one

The band's subsequent dissolution, so the one after 2021.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• and a July 2026 joint post with Estrada and Van Oppen to announce that Bennett had died in late May.[37] - I don't think its pertinent for the readers to know that Estrada and Van Oppen announced Bennett's death, just that she died. I've only skimmed Bennett's talk page, but there seemed to be some sort of kerfuffle there, so I may be wrong

I've done it this way for two reasons; removing it would result in two choppy sentences, and arguably the band announcing it makes it in scope for this article.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

The Sun is depreciated, but has any source replicated their reporting on Emmalyn saying they were going to have a reunion? Even if we can't cite the depreciated source, I would say its existence makes the matter in scope for this article. Maybe something like "Estrada and Van Oppen announced Bennett's May 2026 death", or something like that. 1brianm7 (talk) 04:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

The Sun was the only piece that reported that fact, so I didn't include it. I don't think anything that rag says makes anything in scope.--Launchballer 20:37, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

That's fair. I read the source and it clarified that the announcement was made on the GRL Instagram, which I would say definitely makes it in scope. I had thought it was in their individual capacities as just friends and former bandmates. Maybe considering doing something like "and in July 2026 a post on the group's Instagram announced that Bennett had died in late May" (side note, if it was 2027 I would personally just write it a "2026 post announced Bennett's death, since I don't think the fact that it was unannounced for two months is particularly important, but it would read awkwardly while the year is still ongoing) 1brianm7 (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

I would argue that it only appearing on their social media would make it undue, but I've trimmed the months.--Launchballer 23:26, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

• We have articles for the EP and three singles? Is there no reception for the group? What did people think about them? A very cursory search found three supergroups that are GAs: Slash's Snakepit, Silk Sonic, and Tapeworm (band). Besides the last one which is odd, the former have a lot more content that I would want to see in this article, if it exists.

The only artistry I could find came from unreliable sources such as AllMusic, discussed it trivially ('pop group', which is already in the article), or discussed individual songs, which I'm not convinced belongs in a top-level overview.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I would maybe "cheat" a little and do something like "G. R. L.'s songs were variously described as..." 1brianm7 (talk) 04:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I found a source that said Ugly Heart was a change in genre, so I listed the before and after.--Launchballer 20:37, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

That read's well. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

Will comment more once you have a chance to respond. The images lack alt text, which is now required, but are appropriately licensed (one from the Pentagon!), and no copyvio from earwig. 1brianm7 (talk) 22:00, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

Noting that I've seen this and will respond when I'm untired enough to be sure of what I'm doing.--Launchballer 23:10, 3 October 2026 (UTC)

Addressed most; the merge will take longer.--Launchballer 00:08, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I probably won't have time to respond more extensively till Wednesday. Good progress so far. 1brianm7 (talk) 04:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Take your time; was hoping to run this as a double DYK with Lauren Bennett and the reviewer hasn't started that one. Alt text done, just the merge remaining I think.--Launchballer 20:37, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. I can hold off on approving this if need be, to not start the 9-day timer for DYK eligibility. I don't have a ton of experience writing alt text for people that goes beyond "less famous person A standing next to famous person B", and I know our guidance on alt text is famously bad. Still, I don't know if the way they are currently phrased is great. Its sufficient for GA, but the way they are currently phrased means a blind person would hear: "A long-haired brunette young tanned woman with a white armless crop-top and short shorts and black knee-length socks looking left with her right hand touching the back of her head; a shaved-headed young tanned woman with white crop jacket, X-shaped white top, and white trousers looking into the camera and with her hands on her hips; a black long-haired young with an elbow-length white crop shirt and white shorts looking left and with her left-hand on her left elbow with her index and middle finger outstretched; a tanned brunette woman with long hair and white swimsuit with the name of the band on it looking left; a tanned long-haired blonde woman in a white crop-top and white trousers with slashed knees looking left and with her hands by her knees; all posing in front of a white wall with red company logos." and then "Natasha Slayton, Paula van Oppen, Simone Battle, Emmalyn Estrada, and Lauren Bennett in September 2013" is ideal. Don't know how I would phrase it, though. The way I had it explained to me was to replicate the experience by a person who could see the picture. That certainly replicates the picture, but the only think I took away from the picture when I looked at it was "GRL stand together in matching outfits at a promotional event". YMMV 1brianm7 (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

Merge completed.--Launchballer 02:39, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Looks good, I fixed some table accessibility formatting while making two minor copyedits. 1brianm7 (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 6 random passages from throughout the article (15.4% of 39 total passages). These passages contain 9 inline citations (15.3% of 59 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. 1brianm7 (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2026 (UTC)

Reference #	Letter	Source	Archive	Status	Notes
G.R.L. took its name from the word girl and had been deliberately misspelled on the basis that the word team does not contain the letter I.
1		laweekly.com
and Bennett joined the group. A Pussycat Dolls line-up featuring Bennett, van Oppen, Curry, Girlicious alumnus Chrystina Sayers, and Dallas Cowboys cheerleader Erica Jenkins had performed in a GoDaddy commercial broadcast during February 2012's Super Bowl XLVI.
3	d	mtv.com	web.archive.org
5	c	digitalspy.com
The track diversified the band's usual sound from dance-pop to indie pop
14	c	bustle.com
and featured on the band's self-titled EP in July 2014, the latter alongside with "Show Me What You Got".
12	b	m.billboard.com	web.archive.org
25		renownedforsound.com	web.archive.org
launch the firm's Campaign to Change Direction with Michelle Obama,
28		billboard.com
12	c	m.billboard.com	web.archive.org
when the pair briefly reunited with Estrada and van Oppen;
38		the-independent.com

That's all, folks. I believe it meets all of the GA criteria. Do you want me to approve it now Launchballer, or wait till Bennett's review is complete. 1brianm7 (talk) 15:03, 8 October 2026 (UTC)

If you could hang on a bit it would be appreciated.--Launchballer 04:06, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Beta Beta Beta (talk) 18:54, 12 November 2026 (UTC)

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Lauren Bennett

• ... that the death of a 25-year-old woman led to the dissolution of Lauren Bennett's (pictured) supergroup G.R.L.?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas J. W. Burgess

Improved to Good Article status by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 437 past nominations.

Launchballer 11:39, 16 October 2026 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Sources are in article. Copyvio unlikely according to Earwig. Unsurprising  📝 🗣️💬 👥 15:31, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Burgess is a double and counts as two, and hooks can't be approved AGF.--Launchballer 15:33, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Time to fix that! Unsurprising  📝 🗣️💬 👥 15:38, 16 October 2026 (UTC)