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Participation map

The current participation map is wildly inaccurate. It lists Myanmar as competing, although they have not confirmed according to the list of debuting nations. It also does not have Malaysia colored in, and South Korea is completely left out. I would suggest to either update it or remove it until further notice. StudiedPort5 (talk) 00:30, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

has it been fixed yet? I've noticed S korea has been colored in ~2026-20824-59 (talk) 18:38, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

The map is correct as far as I can see MSalmon (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

Stand-alone article for this year or for the contest itself?

Hey guys, now that the contest has been confirmed, I have a question. Will this article be exclusively for the 2026 edition, and another page for the concept itself (like main ESC and JESC) will be created in the near future? Or is it going to be combined (like American Song Contest) provisionally until we have a second edition and both articles can be separated? ~2026-14141-91 (talk) 08:23, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

I would say keep it in this one until a second edition is confirmed and then do separate articles, given that if we do separate now they would be almost the same. IsaacMDB23 (talk) 08:39, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

I think any sort of separation should occur once we have sufficient concrete details about a second edition.  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  10:18, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

I think this should be done once more information comes out. It would be much more appropriate to do that if a second edition is confirmed. - 🥨 Pretztea 13:21, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

It seems like a separate article for this years contest was created so I have redirected it for now, there is no need to duplicate information in two articles. MSalmon (talk) 09:05, 2 July 2026 (UTC)

South Korea NF

South Korean nf will be happening September 4th and am the source is on ESC Noah - Stan Luktelk YouTube channel ~2026-19927-71 (talk) 13:16, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

Is there an official source yet? A non-affiliated YouTube channel is not a sufficient reference/source. Wikicringe (talk) 21:05, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Passed WP:GNG. However, I think the logo is under public domain under PD-textlogo and should move on Commons.

ROY is WAR Talk! 15:43, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

More countries

didnt Japan, India, Taiwan and Singapore also confirm? ~2026-22416-33 (talk) 18:55, 11 April 2026 (UTC)

If you can send me a reliable source and not a rumor, then great I'll add them. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 07:17, 12 April 2026 (UTC)

No official confirmation yet. The news came from fans uncovering traces of India, Taiwan and Singapore in the website's assets. No news on Japan. Astro.nick20 (talk) 03:19, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

Oh yes, I was confused on why an anonymous user, who may or may be the same as above mentioned the website as source in the edit summaries when I cannot see those aformention countries' represented in the hearts on the page.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:54, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

The Instagram account (@eurovisionasia.tv) is saying that India has confirmed participation in the 2026 contest, but India still doesn't appear on the Eurovision Asia website nor the Eurovision Asia page on eurovision.com. There wasn't a broadcaster confirmed on the post either. Should India be mentioned in the "other countries" section to clarify? Rquinn19 (talk) 15:54, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

The Instagram account appears to be unofficial. Could be a fan pretending to be an official channel by purchasing a blue tick. Astro.nick20 (talk) 01:33, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

@Astro.nick20 thats the minus of off season... Vesparaw07 (talk) 04:40, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

anyway, how did they have a video showcasing videos from each of the 10 initially confirmed countries. Vesparaw07 (talk) 04:54, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

even the official Eurovision Song Contest also has a blue tick... Vesparaw07 (talk) 04:57, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

The @eurovisionasia.tv account seems to have been taken down, so it was more than likely not managed by the EBU Rquinn19 (talk) 11:54, 14 April 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2026

Change the Vietnamese broadcaster from VTV3 (a channel) to VTV (Vietnamese Television, broadcaster that managing VTV3). Madafackkatv (talk) 08:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Already done when I got here. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:29, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Mongolia and China

Mongolia and China confirmed participation according to Cambodia ~2026-40526-37 (talk) 12:25, 18 July 2026 (UTC)

Mongolia

Please add that Mongolia have just confirmed they will participate ~2026-44063-13 (talk) 07:15, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

yes Mongolia should be added but is it official? I can't find a trustable source ~2026-42094-64 (talk) 08:44, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

There has not been any official source of Mongolia confirming its participation (yet). We will either need to wait for more new updates. Revs63 (talk) 10:50, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

Please add that Mongolia was featured on the globe on the Eurovision Asia promo ~2026-44063-13 (talk) 07:22, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

Please add Mongolia on the participation map. ~2026-42094-64 (talk) 09:28, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

India

please add that India hearts have been found in the Eurovision Asia files ~2026-44063-13 (talk) 14:00, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

We do not guess joining countries via "hidden heart flags".Hariboneagle927 (talk) 14:23, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

Vietnam's Representative

The broadcaster for Vietnam in this year's Eurovision Asia confirmed Tóc Tiên would represent Vietnam this year on Morning Coffe Show. Is that not enough of official confirmation or is it specifically needed for ESC/ESC Asia to confirm it? Kikica0025 (talk) 18:43, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

Filipino vs. Tagalog

Can we decide on one?  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  17:22, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

This is an issue on Philippine music articles for a while now. I'm personally leaning on using Filipino by default unless there are reliable sources describing it as Tagalog. If in the future, the Philippines sends a song primarily in a regional language (for example, Bisaya) then we could probably use Tagalog instead. Not authoritative per se, but there was a short November 2025 discussion about this at Tambayan Philippines. GinawaSaHapon (talk) 00:45, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

I personally go with Filipino by default, unless if official Eurovision Asia sources specifically uses "Tagalog" then maybe? But I no, Bisaya is not Tagalog or the other regional languages. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 02:09, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

I am one of the editors who did and got into an edit war with the "Filipino vs. Tagalog" use of word or term for one of the languages used in the song titled "Sobra-Sobra", which is written by Gianina Camille del Rosario and Mart Sam Emmanuel Olavides as the songwriters and performed by Carmelle as the artist, for the Philippines as its official national entry, representative, and/or participating song for Eurovision Song Contest Asia 2026.

Here are some of my personal and individual reasons, causes, arguments, or defenses, or whatever these can be treated, considered, named, called, or referred, in favor for the word or term "Filipino" over "Tagalog":

Although there is just a few to some, minor, and/or minimal to no linguistic differences between the local, regional, and official auxiliary Tagalog and the national and official Filipino languages, beyond what some Philippine national agencies, institutions, and organizations, groups, personalities, among others, nationally and internationally communicate and promote, with national constitutional or legal, institutional, academic, lexical, and orthographic bases as their primary bases, and a few other minimal or minor differences and distinguishing factors as other secondary bases, especially among the other dialects or varieties within what are considered, treated, or understood as Filipino language's dialects or varieties and what are Tagalog language's, still within this national to international contexts, "Filipino" is better used than "Tagalog", especially because of their differences in definitions, meanings, contexts, usages, significance, importance, statuses, roles, functions, purposes, intentions, motives, causes, reasons, language politics in language planning and policies (status planning and policies, corpus planning and policies, and acquisition planning and policies, among others), and official/formal/standard or standardized/codified grammars, dictionaries, manuals, orthographies, and education or instructions from acquisition and beyond. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 14:00, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

The national language and native lingua franca of the Philippines is Filipino and alongside the English language as the two official languages of the Philippines. Again, Tagalog is just one of the local, regional, and official auxiliary languages of the Philippines, and that is also locally and regionally limited and exclusive only to the native Tagalog people and their descendants and only to the native Tagalog-using regions, provinces, highly urbanized cities, and independent municipality of the Philippines from Central to Southern and Southwestern Luzon, and it also only serves as the core or nucleus of Filipino. That is what Tagalog became when and since the Tagalog-based national language of the Philippines came to be, and which then became, was renamed, and was reconceptualized as "Pilipino" in 1959 to 1987 and especially as "Filipino" since 1987, as one of the few, minimal, and minor ways to distinguish them apart. Filipino is the official national language of the Philippines, and Tagalog is, within the Philippine national and international contexts, only a local, regional, and official auxiliary language. Filipino is more nationalistic, patriotic, and inclusive to be used for the Philippines. Tagalog is more regionalistic and exclusive to be used for the Philippines. If "Tagalog" is to be used, then why don't we change the use of the word or term "Philippines" into any one of the words or terms such as "Katagalugan", "Southern Tagalog", "Calabarzon", or "Mimaropa" or "Southwestern Tagalog (Region)", instead. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 14:07, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

In two, official and national, Philippine commission, agency, institution, and/or language regulating and advisory body's URLs of and from KWF's (Komisyon sa Wikang Filipino's [Commission on the Filipino Language's]) Repositoryo ng mga Wika ng Pilipinas (Languages of the Philippines Repository) that are: https://kwfwikaatkultura.ph/tagalog-2/ and https://kwfwikaatkultura.ph/filipino/ from 2023, Tagalog's population of native or first-language speakers are based on "The number of the population and households that reported Tagalog in R4A, R4B, some provinces in R3, and some municipalities (or towns) in Camarines Norte." (Translated from Filipino into English), while Filipino's population of native or first-language speakers are based on "The number of the population and households speaking Filipino cover Regions 1 through BARMM, excluding Region 4A, Region 4B, and certain provinces in Region 3." (Translated from Filipino into English). There are also deep, complex, and heavy, Philippine historical, national, nationalistic versus localistic and/or regionalistic, patriotic, institutional, and unifying or inclusive reasons, causes, intentions, and motives why the historical Tagalog-based national language of the Philippines became, was renamed, and was reconceptualized as "Pilipino" (in 1959 to 1987) and then as "Filipino" (since 1987) nationally, institutionally, and/or constitutionally or legally within Filipino and Philippine national, official, formal, institutional, academic/ educational/ instructional, governmental, political, legal, mass media, business, and consequently also international or global contexts, no matter how not influential, powerful, nor effective they are (the reasons, causes, intentions, or motives), and although they only mostly to almost entirely just result in national, official, formal, constitutional or legal, and/or institutional name changes. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 14:15, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

The Philippines will participate in Eurovision Song Contest Asia 2026, not Katagalugan, Southern Tagalog, Calabarzon, or Mimaropa or Southwestern Tagalog (Region), exclusively. Also, when did language ever not also be related to, connected with, nor about history, politics, geography, culture, heritage, ethnicity, nationality, citizenship, identity, power, inclusivity or exclusivity, and representation? To use "Tagalog" or "Filipino" and "Filipino" over "Tagalog" in this context is not just phonology, morphology, syntax, semantics, and pragmatics but also sociolinguistics, historical linguistics, and language politics (language planning and language policy), among others, which all must and should be integrated. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Frankly, why did you get off-tangent with the "Philippines not Katagalugan" non-sequiter? I am one of the editors that favors "Filipino" over Tagalog. This should not be this complicated. The country name is irrelevant here. If the singer, will hypothetically sing in Chavacano, they will still represent the Philippines. So your logic does not follow. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 14:32, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Likely, do we have any official language classification from Eurovision Asia, to settle this once and for all? Eurovoix.com does not list a language.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 14:36, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for your response or reply and its contents, for now I understand more and was clarified that the place name is contextually, coherently, logically, and/or also compositionally irrelevant and remains the "Philippines", regardless of the language(s) used for the song and/or its lyrics. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 14:48, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you again for your response or reply and its contents, because I just reread, relearned, and also remembered that South Korea's entry, representative, or participating song "Deep Dive" is entirely in English, and that the entry, representative, or participating songs don't have to be only in one (or more) of the national, official, working, and/or literary or literary standard/standardized language of and from the participating place, such as the Philippines' "Sobra-Sobra" being in a mix of English (the Philippines' other official language, alongside Filipino) and Filipino (the Philippines' national language and other official language, alongside English) and Bhutan's "Lhayi Semo" entirely being in Dzongkha (Bhutan's official and national language). Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 15:05, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Lastly or finally, if Indonesia will also participate, they won't likely use "Malay" or more specifically either "Riau Malay" or "Classical Malay" (local, provincial, or regional basis, foundation, and/or precursor) but "Indonesian" as its sole or only official national language. If India and Pakistan will also participate, they won't likely use "Hindustani" or "Hindi-Urdu" (linguistic and lesser geopolitical terms) but "Hindi" and "Urdu", respectively, as their official and/or national, and/or also national lingua franca names. The same goes for the Philippines with "Filipino" over "Tagalog" and the Philippines as a nation-state and country with its official national language versus just some of its regions, provinces, highly urbanized cities, and independent municipality from Central to Southern and Southwestern Luzon with their native or indigenous, local, regional, and official auxiliary language. Did Croatia, Montegro, and Serbia in Eurovision Song Contest 2026, for example, called, named, or referred to their language as Serbo-Croatian or Bosnian-Croatian-Montenegrin-Serbia, or even Shtokavian/Štokavian or Eastern Herzegovinian? No, right? Instead, they used Croatian, Montenegrin, and Serbian, respectively, and also differently, separately, and individually, and instead, they used their own respective official, and/or national, and/or literary standard names of and for structurally, basically, practically, and essentially also linguistically the same language. The same thing goes for the Philippines. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 14:38, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Are you using an LLM? Please make your responses concise please and please keep on topic. The point is that in practical terms Filipino/Tagalog are largely the same. That's why there's a going back-and-forth here.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 15:45, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Everything I wrote here are my own words. I did look up for some materials, but I read, integrated, and wrote them myself. I'm used to writing long when I'm trying to explain something, tell something, and/or argue about something, among others, because I'm used to do it, and because I try my best to put in as much as I can, while still trying to control myself to keep it shorter also as much as I can, just to explain something, tell something, and/or argue for or against something. In other words, too, they could've been even longer than they how long they already are.

In practical terms, Filipino and Tagalog (I don't personally use nor prefer to use "Filipino/Tagalog" that much but "Filipino and Tagalog" or "Filipino and/or Tagalog", and vice versa, because they still aren't synonymous, interchangeable, or coterminous for me even mostly just because of national official, constitutional or legal, formal, institutional, historical, conceptual, language political, official/formal/institutional/standard or standardized/codified lexical and orthographic, and academic or educational reasons) became still and yet largely the same, because of a lot of factors, causes, or reasons (which among them are national legal, institutional, governmental, political, public academic, public basic educational, mass media, business and industry-related, and understandable lack of large budget for programs, projects, activities, events, research, education, trainings, instructions, communications, and other public and mass reach for just a national language's and/or also other Philippine languages' national, official, constitutional or legal, and/or institutional regulating and advisory agency, institute, or commission, and its reach, power, and influence to the public or masses, etc.) that kept most Filipinos within the Philippines and beyond to keep them (in this case, "Filipino" and "Tagalog") synonymous, interchangeable, or coterminous for, with, and among themselves and then consequently with non-Filipinos, and also then consequently geographically and intergenerationally using, spreading, promoting, maintaining, and even fortifying their synonymous, interchangeable, or coterminous practical use, developing one alongside, on top of, or under the other and then also consequently developing the other, instead of slowly beginning to develop them into more separate paths or ways over the decades since 1937 (for and as the Tagalog-based national language), then 1959 (for and as Pilipino), and then 1987 (for and as Filipino), as they were also intended or meant, similar to Italian or Standard Italian and Tuscan (Florentine). Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 04:53, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Comparing Filipino/Tagalog to Indonesian/Malay, Hindi/Urdu, and to the languages of former Yugoslavia is a false equivalence because those languages have formally established literary standards and independent Wikipedia editions. In contrast, no established structural or digital separation exists between Filipino and Tagalog; to date, no major websites—including Wikipedia itself—host separate functional versions for Filipino, relying exclusively on the Tagalog classification. Because media cataloging and digital infrastructure depend on objective linguistic standards rather than political or nationalist designations, tagging the lyrics as Tagalog remains the most accurate representation of the song’s actual medium. Mr. Glump (talk) 05:31, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

The suggestion that we might use “Tagalog” as a fallback label for a song in a different regional language, such as Cebuano, reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of linguistic classification. If a future entry is sung in Cebuano, the language parameter should be labeled Cebuano, not Tagalog. Defaulting to Tagalog in this case remains the most logically and structurally sound approach. Because this is functionally a standardized register of Tagalog, global cataloging practices and digital infrastructures—including Wikipedia itself, which exclusively hosts a Tagalog edition (tl.wikipedia.org)—rely on the Tagalog classification. Using Tagalog by default ensures consistent, objective categorization across music articles without conflating political designations with actual linguistic realities. Mr. Glump (talk) 09:41, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Okay, I think I got the grasp of which language the Philippines uses for official purposes. What I'd be interested to hear is whether the non-English parts of the song contain any noticeable linguistic features (pronunciation, vocabulary, expressions etc.) that could make a difference one way or the other. Last time I checked, Carmelle was not the Philippine government and was free to sing in any language (or language variety) that she liked.  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  23:10, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Based on the non-English lines if the song, as far as I can personally know, understand, and differentiate, tell apart, and/or distinguish language varieties that are considered or treated as being more of, within, or under Filipino (national and official and more or mostly defined as more urban or urbanized and metropolitan, especially associated or linked with the Metropolitan Manila area or the National Capital Region of the Philippines and other urban centers, especially urban or urbanized, populated, diverse, multilingual, multi-ethnic, multicultural, and multinational cities, provincial capitals, and/or regional centers, throughout the archipelago) and more of, within, or under Tagalog (local, regional, official auxiliary, and more or mostly defined as geographically locally-specific or regionally-specific from Central to Southern and Southwestern Luzon [Luzon = largest island and northernmost and largest island group or group of islands of the Philippines], more traditional, more linked to the native Tagalog-using provinces surrounding the Metropolitan Manila area or the National Capital Region of the Philippines), they (or the lyrics) are not written in a nor any language variety or dialect that is more undeniably, undoubtedly, and exclusively associated or linked with Tagalog itself, such as the Batangas, Batangan, Batanggenyo or Batanagueño language variety or dialect of Tagalog, among others, but they are more written in a common, linking, or bridging, or "lingua franca", language variety or dialect that is commonly associated or linked with the Metropolitan Manila or Metro Manila, Kamaynilaan, Kalakhang Maynila, Manila, Maynila, or Manilenyo or Manileño language variety or dialect of Tagalog, which is the only language variety or dialect of Tagalog, which is more or mostly considered or treated as the "basis" or the de facto or practical "basis" of Filipino, and therefore the only language variety or dialect of Tagalog, out of the others that comprise, compose, or make up Tagalog, that is more or mostly associated or linked to be synonymous, interchangeable, or coterminous with Filipino or before it was also further formalized, standardized, codified, intellectualized, nationalized, modernized or contemporarized, globalized or internationalized, urbanized, cultivated, developed, evolved, enriched, expanded, and then localized or regionalized throughout the Philippines or the rest of the Philippines in and among the other regions, provinces, and highly urbanized cities as the national, official, constitutional or legal, institutional, academic and/or educational or instructional Filipino or even as "Standard Filipino" for national and consequently also international official, governmental, political, legal, literary (national literature), academic and/or educational or instructional, and mass media purposes, uses, roles, functions, contexts, and domains, and that is further open to be influenced and contributed by the other native, indigenous or creole, local, regional, and official auxiliary languages of the Philippines and their language varieties or dialects, including Tagalog itself and its other more undeniably, undoubtedly, and exclusively Tagalog language varieties or dialects. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 05:37, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Furthermore, sometimes the Central dialects or language varieties of Tagalog (the dialects or language varieties of Tagalog that include those of, within, and the closest surrounding the Metropolitan Manila area or the National Capital Region of the Philippines, including those from the surrounding, nearby, or adjacent provinces of Cavite, Rizal, Laguna, and Bulacan) are more or mostly treated, considered, and associated or linked as the "basis" or the de facto or practical "basis" of Filipino, and collectively can be true as the language variety or dialect the non-English lines of the song is written.

The either use of "Filipino" or "Tagalog" is complex and nuanced, because a or one language variety or dialect of Tagalog or one of its group, set, or collection of dialects or language varieties is more or mostly considered, treated, associated, or linked to be, being, or as the "basis" or the de facto "basis", as the de facto precursor before further developments and others, and/or even as the only language variety or dialect or group, set, or collection of dialects or language varieties that even are or are the most synonymous, interchangeable, or coterminous with Filipino. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 06:35, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

At the end of the day, it would really depend not on linguistics or not on it alone, but also or even more on personal and individual to group preference, choice, selection, or use of which word or term and their nuanced, differentiated, distinguished, distinct, separate, unique, and/or their basically, structurally, practically, or essentially synonymous, interchangeable, or coterminous definitions and/or meanings just or exclusively for them, which can or may be the same or not with others, as well as on the use or uses, purposes, functions, roles, contexts, settings, place, temporality, domains of the language and its use, on personal and individual to group or even intergenerationally or socially inherited, acquired, or learned habit, tradition, knowledge, understanding, information, education, practices, and/or uses, and on personal and individual to group language or linguistic motives, intentions, agenda, advocacy (such as nationalism, patriotism, localism, regionalism, ethnocentrism, inclusivity, exclusivity, national unity, national identity, national linguistic unity and identity, etc.), and their nuanced language and/or linguistic knowledge and understanding to differentiate or distinguish when/where/why/how/from whom/to whom or for whom/with whom/through, by, or via what, whom, or which/from what and for what it is Filipino and it is Tagalog, or the lack or even absence of any of those I've mentioned above. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 06:43, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Still or yet and as of now, no matter how unfortunate it is, and now matter how not powerful, not influential, and ineffective the national language planning, policies, and programs were and are still are, that's the state of the Philippines and of Filipinos in which word or term to choose, select, and/or use, and whether "Filipino" or "Tagalog".

Although I am personally in favor for "Filipino" over or instead of "Tagalog" for this nuanced context, I personally also just have to wait on what Eurovision Song Contest Asia 2026 will officially use in their official written contents and just accept it, even if they will use "Tagalog" over or instead of "Filipino", which is not what I am personally looking forward for this nuanced context. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 06:51, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

My reply or response above has typographical errors, and I'm sorry for them. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 05:40, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Honestly the typographical errors are the least concern here am I talking to a bot? Please get straight to the point and make your responses shorter. So much fluff for what essentially boils down to "Filipino and Tagalog have nuanced difference". We aint gonna determine if this is Manila Tagalog, Batangas Tagalog, etc. What is even the contention here? That we cannot determine the specific dialect of Tagalog so we use "Filipino" instead. Anyways, I'll step away. You should talk to @Mr. Glump: about your edit dispute but I struggle to understand your rationale beyond "using Tagalog is Tagalog-centric" Hariboneagle927 (talk) 07:05, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry, and there I said it again, asking for apology one more time but another reason this time. That's just my personality and the like. I'm trying my best, even trying my best to understand and empathize as much as I can with other people's personalities and the like, but it seems that my version of best wasn't good enough for some personalities and the like.

Plus, I think I've already said, replied, and concluded what I have to say, reply, and conclude, so I'll also step away from this.

Nevertheless, thank you for the time, effort, energy, resources, words, and responses or replies you did and spent, and especially your patience. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 11:55, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

My reply or response above also has grammatical errors, and I'm sorry for them, too. Wikipedista Zamboangueño (talk) 06:53, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that I don't intend to participate in the edit war, as I'm not familiar with the language. If there is something I consider relevant, I might steer the discussion in that direction. Otherwise, whatever the consensus is here, I'll eventually follow it on the Romanian Wikipedia (I've played with both variants there already and would like to settle on one).  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  23:46, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

As someone who lives and is born in the country, there is no noticeable difference at all in practical terms. In schools, the language is emphasized as Filipino and not Tagalog as a means for national unity. But if you ask a random Filipino person in the street, "Filipino" and "Tagalog" is understood to be basically the same. Supposedly "Filipino" borrows more words from the other regional languages like Bisaya. But good luck trying to find an WP:RS where a linguist labels the song as either way.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 03:56, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

I completely agree with your assessment, especially your point that the supposed distinction between the two rests on the idea that Filipino borrows words from other regional languages. This argument is linguistically invalid because incorporating loanwords is a natural evolution of any living language. Every major language in the Philippines, such as Cebuano or Iloco, integrates vocabulary from Spanish, English, and neighboring languages without being reclassified as an entirely new language. Even Tagalog, before being labeled as Filipino, has done the same throughout history. To this end, no syntactic or grammatical separation exists between the two, so it remains essentially standard Tagalog. This inherent lack of distinct codification is precisely why media catalogs, encyclopediae, and digital infrastructures default to the objective Tagalog classification rather than treating Filipino as a separate linguistic entity. Mr. Glump (talk) 07:57, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

final list

we don't need to add more, 11 countries is officially competing this year! Vesparaw07 (talk) 11:51, 11 September 2026 (UTC)