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Currently a difficult task due to the lack of consensus in the greater community over an accurate chronology, but definitely something to keep coming back to
In the meanwhile: it’s a good policy to have a survey of dates from sources in articles about time periods; for smaller mentions (ex. at the start of “Atenism under Akhenaten” here: “Amenhotep IV, the son of Amenhotep III, was crowned king c. 1353 BC.”) circa is your best friend
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Creating a separate article for Predynastic Egypt from Prehistoric Egypt starting with the Badarian culture where many overviews begin
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It is requested that one or more world maps , showing all the cradles of civilization in one map at the top of the article, be included in this article to improve its quality.
The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article relates to the region of South Asia (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal), including but not limited to history, politics, ethnicity, and social groups.
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"The cities were perhaps originally about a mile square in overall dimensions, and their outstanding magnitude suggests political centralization, either in two large states or in a single great empire with alternative capitals. Alternatively, it may be that Harappa succeeded Mohenjo-daro, which is known to have been devastated more than once by exceptional floods. Encyclopædia Britannica http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9039205/Harappa Harappa (Pakistan) – Britannica Online Encyclopedia | Britannica.com accessdate 2010-01-09
Firstly, there is no citation for "political centralisation" of indus valley. In fact, majority view is that because of absence of evidence of kings, the society was more decentralised.
The second statement I removed regarding "Harappa succeeded Mohenjo-daro" doesn't make any sense in the context.
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It is surprising that such information exists on Wikipedia. Did anyone looked at what is written in 'Cradle of Western Civilization' subtitle and sources metioned there? Outside of Greek and Roman influence the subtitle is icncomplete and the rest is simply wrong. Dull religious-minded style, dubious and obscure sources, biased and wrong arguments. It looks more like some (let's not mention) lobby's brainwashing. Does anyone even moderates articles? 37.29.88.9 (talk) 19:35, 18 April 2025 (UTC)Reply
I agree - this section is not appropriate for the main topic of the article, it has only been added to follow a recent fashion for Greek and Roman history in certain political movements, and I am working on a rewrite. Superswansea (talk) 17:32, 8 September 2025 (UTC)Reply
I made the changes, but an anonymous IP user(s) has started reverting it without leaving comments in the talk page or suggesting improvements. Superswansea (talk) 11:22, 2 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
You're right. Although you sometimes hear Greece or Rome cited as the "Cradle of European Civilization", they are not usually included among the half dozen Cradles of Civilization. Smallchief (talk) 13:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)Reply
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There isn't any argument or source that supports the claim that the Fertile Crescent should be considered as one of the cradles of civilization. Perhaps it could be considered as an extension of the Messopotamian civilization. However, until clear evidence by reputable sources is added, it doesn't deserve to be mentioned separately and take precedence over the Messopotamian one. 62.74.24.141 (talk) 16:56, 24 August 2025 (UTC)Reply
According to UNESCO, the archaeological ruins of Liangzhu City (3,300-2,300 BCE) is "an outstanding testimony of an early regional state" featuring "outstanding examples of early urbanization... city and landscape planning, social hierarchy".
This is important as it significant predates the current Wikipedia entry stating "with Erlitou considered the first state level society of East Asia".
The Guardian also reported the finding of inscriptions in Liangzhu's relic sites, which may be writing or proto-writing.
It is important to note that the current Wikipedia entry does not assert writing as a pre-requisite for a cradle of civilization. The finding does represent evidence for "symbolic systems of communication" which satisfies the criteria.
The evidence is sufficient to establish that at least as early as of the times of Liangzhu, the criteria for "cradle of civilization" was already satisfied for Ancient China. ~2026-39918-27 (talk) 16:21, 14 July 2026 (UTC)Reply
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