Talk:Beatrice Mateyo

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The result was: promoted by Beta Beta Beta (talk) 04:17, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

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Beatrice Mateyo protesting

• ... that Beatrice Mateyo (pictured) was arrested for demeaning Malawian women, after she carried a placard saying that she was proud to have a vagina?

• Source: Beatrice Mateyo, who identifies herself as a human rights defender and gender activist, says she did not author the placard which read ‘Kubadwa ndi nyini sitchimo. My pussy my pride’ but supported the course to fight against GBV in Malawi. (google translate says it says "Being born with a vagina is not a sin.")

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Colin Ramirez
  • Comment: other hooks are possible. Mateyo later said that the arrest by the Police was a poor reaction as they closed their eyes to much worse.

Created by Shingirai Mkamanga (talk) and ScottyNolan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 462 past nominations.

Victuallers (talk) 12:07, 13 July 2026 (UTC).

• • I could see someone quibbling over this one because the article states that she "did not write the placard" but was carrying it. If this was someone's else's written statement, was she "proclaiming" it? Maybe... maybe not. It's enough of a grey area, that I think we should examine some alt hooks just to avoid the pedantic editor from kicking up a stink later. Otherwise, QPQ has been done, no copyright violations detected, article is new enough, long enough, and within policy. Please propose an alt hook below for review.4meter4 (talk) 16:56, 13 July 2026 (UTC)
    • @4meter4: I would see your point, if we didn't have the evidence of an arrest, being found guilty, her admitting to making the protest and ... a judicial overview to look into whether she did commit an offence with proclamation that she made. If you went to your local demo then what percentage of the people carrying placards created them themselves .... and if you asked them if they proclaimed the message on the placard, would they say "No I'm just carrying it"?? Sure someone is going to say "its grey" .... despite having a black and white court case. Happy to change "proclaim" to a near synonym, or see an alt or two, but we should stand by the truth if it looks the most hooky and it doesn't offend needlessly. I have tweaked the wording despite my defence. (Note hoping to include this in a SOHA on 31 July - DYK talk) Victuallers (talk) 09:23, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

The modified text works for me, and shouldn't be an issue. FYI, I agree with you, but I also know how pedantic people can get. Why risk having to get dragged to WP:ERRORS? The minor change that was made will prevent that. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 14:18, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, My 31 July SOHA failed so happy to see this around that time if possible. Victuallers (talk) 07:38, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

'Alternate translation'

'"Being born with a vagina is not a sin" - which has also been translated as "My Pussy, My Pride"'

When I run this phrase and the individual words through Google Translate, it's clear that the first translation is the correct one - this is what the sentence literally means, word for word. The second one might be said to have a somewhat similar message, but is formulated so differently that it can hardly even be called a translation. Since the second one also sounds more obscene in English, I'd say that including it is misleading, since it makes the reaction of the authorities seem more defensible (from a certain conservative, 'decency'-focused perspective). It is also absent in the source cited in the closest footnote. Anonymous44 (talk) 14:06, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

Forgot to note that the DYK hook is based on the faulty translation. 'Being proud of something' and saying that something 'is not a sin' is not the same thing at all.--Anonymous44 (talk) 14:09, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

The "alternate translation" is false. Anyone can translate it for themselves. Kubadwa ndi nyini sitchimo literally translates as <birth> <to be> <vagina> <not sin>. Nosferattus (talk) 15:43, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

OK, on the Main Page errors page, User:4meter4 has pointed to this source (https://malawi24.com/2017/09/15/woman-arrested-obscene-placard-speaks/), which shows that it was not a translation at all as currently claimed in the article, but simply a second sentence in English after the first one in Chichewa. The source currently in the article (https://www.nyasatimes.com/malawi-police-removes-obscene-placard-gbv-demo-arrest-oneig-kachama-says-demeaned-women/#google_vignette) doesn't really quote the placard at all and while it does contain a photo, that shows only part of the placard. I'll edit the article to correct the claim and the sourcing. --Anonymous44 (talk) 15:59, 30 August 2026 (UTC)