Talk:Battle of Forbie

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" ...generally considered to be Al-zahir Biabars who became Sultan of Egypt in 1260! ". how generally considered ? : never any historian said al zahir baibars led this battle. many people used to have same name . Actually you need to put a citation that they were same person not vv :) Samsam22 (talk) 21:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Are the numbers for each side correct? I have always been under the assumption that the Crusaders were outnumbered (as they normally were infact) in this battle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.50.47 (talk) 11:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

who write the assumption this Baibars was not the Sultan Baibars? and i want to hear the argumentAhendra (talk) 14:59, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

The article on the Sultan Baibars says that he was the commander of the victorious troops at La Forbie in 1244. Jsc1973 (talk) 05:01, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Who won ?

At the moment the infobox 'result' states: "Ayyubid victory" On looking further down, I see the word 'Ayyubid' is on both sides. Its only when one reads the article that the result becomes more clear. This rather defeats the object of having an infobox.
The 'result' should be a lot more obvious, otherwise...

RASAM (talk) 22:13, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Trans Jordanian?

According to the disambiguation page, this is a Christian entity. This article does not seem to use it in this sense. Could someone who knows this topic better than I do please clarify? Thanks Elinruby (talk) 02:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Move to Battle of Forbie?

Any opposition to moving this to just "Forbie"? The "La" part comes from René Grousset, who wrote "La bataille se livra dans la plaine sablonneuse qui s'étend entre Ascalon et Gaza près du village d'Herbiyâ, la Forbie des chroniqueurs." As Ilya Berkovich has explained, English historians misreading Grousset then named the battle "La Forbie." It should therefore be called the Battle of Forbie, as Berkovich calls it, and the name that other recent historians have adopted. See Berkovich, “The Battle of Forbie and the second Frankish Kingdom of Jerusalem,” in Journal of Military History 75 (January 2011), p. 17. Adam Bishop (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Support I've found numerous mentions of "battle of Forbie". --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead. It's good to have an explanation. It's also weird that the French would be misunderstood, since the English construction would be the same ("Herbiya, the Forbie of the chroniclers"). Srnec (talk) 21:47, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Done! Adam Bishop (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

An actual map showing La Forbie

A hyper detailed map of year 1135 that shows the fortified site named "La Forbie" on the map is below.

Note that the location is not on the coastal strip described as a possession of the "lordships of the royal domain", but further inland a possession of the "lordships of the King's vassals".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusader_states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusader_states#/media/File%3AMap_of_the_Crusader_states_and_castles.png Gaskew7 (talk) 13:09, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

The "coastal strip" is just an emphasized outline of the kingdom. The lordships of the royal domain are in a similar colour, i.e. Raphia, to the south of Forbie), the area around Jerusalem and Nablus (which is kind of the shape of the modern West Bank), and the strip from Haifa to Tyre. I'm not sure Forbie would have been fortified in 1135, but this is a pretty good map overall. Adam Bishop (talk) 19:27, 28 March 2026 (UTC)