Talk:Atlantis

Atlantis has been found

Atlantis has been found, It Is the Sardinian Corsican geological block. You can find info on Google searching for the words Official Discovery of Atlantis 62.19.157.0 (talk) 08:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

It's not our job to search for anything. If you have a link to the source, please provide it here so we can assess it for reliability. HiLo48 (talk) 08:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.7910/DVN/S36IEQ 91.254.98.11 (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

https://zenodo.org/records/13750972 91.254.98.11 (talk) 17:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

You need a lot better than this. Slatersteven (talk) 17:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Atlantis is always being found we need RS saying this is Atlantis. Slatersteven (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Atlantis can hardly be near Sardinia because it must lie outside the Pillars of Hercules.

Atlantis is the submerged island west of Ireland called Rockall Plateau. Plato tells where to find it. The second son of Poseidon ruled eastern Atlantis, a region named for a land further east. His title was Hand of Eire. If Eire was east of Atlantis, then Atlantis lay west of Eire, that is, Rockall Plateau.

https://www.academia.edu/37216922/Sinking_of_Atlantis_by_Nibiru_in_9577_BC_Part_1_discovery_west_of_Eire Stuhar (talk) 08:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Or every other alleged location. Slatersteven (talk) 12:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

@62.19.157.0 It is believed by the Mayan and Aztec priesthoods that Atlantis was floating in the Gulf of Mexico, and that it rose to the sky and did not sink at all. it is also true as of 2025 that top 40 YouTube songs have a reference to rising from the water, and to things related to Atlantis return. I have even seen a flag of Atlantis somewhere recently online. I think Atlantis Lives J.Sunson (talk) 11:09, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

@62.19.157.0 It is believed by the Mayan and Aztec priesthoods that Atlantis was floating in the Gulf of Mexico, and that it rose to the sky and did not sink at all. it is also true as of 2025 that top 40 YouTube songs have a reference to rising from the water, and to things related to Atlantis return. I have even seen a flag of Atlantis somewhere recently online. I think Atlantis Lives J.Sunson (talk) 11:09, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2024

2A00:23EE:2658:1563:9DFA:586D:C385:6425 (talk) 14:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@2A00:23EE:2658:1563:9DFA:586D:C385:6425 because Atlantis is a protected state by Geneva, the people and state of Atlantis is to recieve protected status was passed as law in the Geneva convention J.Sunson (talk) 11:02, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

The Geneva convention protecting Atlantis has no effect of a Wikipedia article CreativeNightPainter (talk) 22:21, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Why is this page protected? Just curious. I feel it's wrong to state that it's not real when there's no proof either way.

This is not an edit request, you need to say what edit you want us to make. Slatersteven (talk) 14:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

At least fix the errors in the lead section

@Deor At least fix the errors in the lead section:

1) The extent of the empire of Atlantis. Currently the article says it ruled "all western parts of the known world"!!! Utter nonsense! Might as well say that Atlantis was a futuristic city like in Stargate...

Jokes aside, according to Plato, Atlantis only ruled the eastern mediterranean up to Egypt and Tyrrhenia, some islands in the Atlantic and unspecified parts of another continent beyond the Atlantic. So definitely not the whole western known world. The article itself acknowledges this, in the section titled "Plato's dialogues" there is the full quote from the Timaeus, so there is a contradiction.

I also had quoted directly from the Timaeus, and provided sources. Currently the article doesn't provide sources for the claim that Atlantis ruled all the western known world, since what it quotes aren't sources.

2) the sinking of Atlantis due to floods happened a while after the war, as Plato says. It has nothing to do with the war or the fact that Atlantis "fell out of favor with the gods". Athens also perished at the same time due to earthquakes, in the story. The dialogues explain that these cataclysms are cyclical and natural.

Just fix these inaccuracies, I don't even care about the other edits I made. For example I removed the part that said Atlantis was a counterpart to the Acaemenid Empire (nonsense, Atlantis was said to have existed thousands of years before the Acaemenid Empire, this is just a modern speculative interpretation) but you can leave it, it's not as big of a problem.

We can fix the inaccuracies together or you can do it yourself or with other moderators, whatever you like, just please understand that right now the article contains misinformation and contradictions and it needs to be fixed.

Thank you for your time Xclamationmark (talk) 18:04, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Are the wording changes I made in the lead sufficient to satisfy you? I think the problem with your edit was that it changed too much at once, including introducing a superfluous "imaginary" into the captions of maps showing Atlantis. In the future, your changes might be received more favorably if you deal with one perceived problem at a time, allowing other editors to accept or decline your individual edits instead of needing to consider the overall impact of a large edit. Deor (talk) 23:35, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I guess it's good enough, thanks. As for the other edit you mention, well, a lot of people think those maps are real! So no it's not superfluous to clarify that those maps are fictional, just like Atlantis is said to be fictional. There are many superfluous things already in the article, like that Achaemenid Empire thing, which is also wrong... But for now I'm happy with the edit you made. Xclamationmark (talk) 08:30, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

So are you saying that the book " Lords of the Sea: The Epic Story of the Athenian Navy and the Birth of Democracy." does not say this, Donaly certainly does (we say " In the story, Atlantis is described as a naval empire that ruled all Western parts of the known world,"). Slatersteven (talk) 10:55, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Donnelly isn't a reliable source. I think most readers would consider all of Europe to be part of "all Western parts of the known world", hence I prefer Deor's version. Hypnôs (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

But donley is not the source we use, I just used him as an additional example of the crap people believe. The idea of this huge Alantian empire is very much part and parcel of this. Slatersteven (talk) 11:40, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

What reliable source supports the statement? Hypnôs (talk) 11:57, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

The one it is cited to? Hence why I asked " So are you saying that the book " Lords of the Sea: The Epic Story of the Athenian Navy and the Birth of Democracy." does not say this" Slatersteven (talk) 12:00, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I had a look at Lord of the Sea and couldn't find the known world mentioned (except for: "At the corners of his realm [the Persian Empire] ran the four great rivers of the known world: the Nile, the Danube, the Oxus, and the Indus."). The citation seems to be there for the quote it comes with: "Plato also wrote the myth of Atlantis as an allegory of the archetypal thalassocracy or naval power." Hypnôs (talk) 12:04, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Can someone check the cite? Slatersteven (talk) 12:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

This works for me: https://archive.org/details/lordsofseaep00hale/page/368/mode/1up?q=368&view=theater Hypnôs (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Page 277 " The navy and army of Atlantis conquered the African coast as far as Egypt, and Europe as far as central Italy.". Slatersteven (talk) 12:29, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Which is not the same as "all Western parts of the known world" and exactly what Xclamationmark took issue with. Hypnôs (talk) 12:34, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Does it not, that is pretty much the western part of the known world as Plato knew it. Slatersteven (talk) 12:42, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

It's at least ambiguous and the lead should preferably be clear (Is the land of modern day Croatia or Greece not part of the Western world?), hence I would suggest we stick to what reliable sources say. Hypnôs (talk) 13:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Not then, no, as we are talking about a geographical, not cultural idea. But lets see a suggested edit that states that Atlantis controlled all of the world west of Greece (which is source in effect says). Or just provide the direct quote " an empire that stretched from the "African coast as far as Egypt, and Europe as far as central Italy.""Slatersteven (talk) 13:12, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Direct quote is preferable in my opinion. Hypnôs (talk) 13:26, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

The Greek world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_world_maps#/media/File:Hecataeus_world_map-en.svg

If Atlantis controlled all of Europe and the coast of Africa up to Italy/Egypt. That is the Western (known) world. Slatersteven (talk) 12:47, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

But it didn't control all of Europe, nor all of Europe west of Greece (Greece was usually placed at the center of the known world). Plato says it only ruled Europe up to Tyrrhenia and northern Africa up to Egypt EXCLUDING Egypt, thus it is safe to assume that "up to Tyrrhenia" means Tyrrhenia was excluded in the same way, the same goes for most of the rest of Italy, and all the Balkans that are also west of Greece.

Northern Europe could also be excluded in my opinion since it was under ice at the time and Plato is specifically talking about the area within the pillars of Herakles, so the Mediterranean.

Furthermore, Plato mentions a continent beyond the Atlantic Sea (which is most likely the Atlantic Ocean, so this continent could be the Americas), and he says Atlantis ruled PART of that continent, so again there are many parts left out.

So no, Atlantis definitely did not rule all of the western world, it ruled many parts but not all.

This is like the difference between saying someone is powerful VS.omnipotent, or that someone lived 100 years or that they are immortal... Very different things.

So either quote directly from Plato (as i wanted to do, as the article already does in other sections) or do what Deor did.

And no, Donnelly is not a reliable source, do we even need to say this? He can only be considered a charlatan.

The map in his book shows Atlantis ruling Egypt and Greece and the coasts of Asia too, going completely against what we just talked about, what Plato wrote in the Timaeus and Critias... So Donnelly is making stuff up when talking about Atlantis, treating him as a source is outrageous, putting him above Plato is an insult.

Right now the image in the article still has the caption saying "the supposed extent of the Atlantean Empire"...

The same goes for the fall of Atlantis...

Let us not kid ourselves, we all know what the article is trying to do. The article is trying to portray Atlantis as a crazy fairytale that only lunatics could believe in. Why doesn't it treat Atlantis like any other Greek myth? Quote Plato directly, then write the opinions of all the people you want in the other sections but don't butcher Plato's text.

It is an ancient text after all, a historical document, you would never misquote the Code of Hammurabi or the declaration of independence of the United States, so why misquote Plato? Because Donnelly said something different??? Xclamationmark (talk) 20:00, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I just changed it to be in line with what Plato wrote, and what is supported by the cited source (see discussion above). Hypnôs (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hypnôs Thanks, it's good enough. Xclamationmark (talk) 20:11, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hypnôs Can we also change the part where Atlantis is submerged after the war? What Deor had written was good. Xclamationmark (talk) 20:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hypnôs Actually no I take that back. It still looked like Atlantis was submerged because it lost the war as punishment or something. It is true that it fell out of favor with the gods, but the flood isn't related to the loss in the war, in fact Athens is destroyed at the same time by an earthquake. Plato writes that the flood and earthquake happened "a while after" this war. Why does the article link the 2 events together? Again we all know why, let us not kid ourselves, the article tries to portray this a moral fairytale, while Plato says these cataclysms are natural and cyclical. Xclamationmark (talk) 20:30, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

The parts of the Balkans west of Greece* Xclamationmark (talk) 20:08, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Donnelly's day seems to not relate to anything

I know from simple searches that Donnelly's probably refers to Ignatius L. Donnelly's birth date (Nov 3, 1831).

Should it show the date there? or have a mention of some sort?

I think it should be clarified. AnmPro (talk) 14:27, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Yes we named him in the lede. Slatersteven (talk) 14:30, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Morocco hypothesis - Edit request

Hello Wikipedia editors,

I would like to request adding the following paragraph to the "In the Atlantic Ocean" section of the Atlantis article, right after the Spartel mention.

This hypothesis is notable and has academic sources.

Proposed addition:

The hypothesis placing Atlantis in Morocco was notably advanced by German researcher Michael Hübner (1966–2013). Using a computer-based analysis of 51 geographical details from Plato's dialogues, Hübner identified the Souss-Massa plain as matching the description, citing the Atlas Mountains, Atlantic coastline, and historical copper mining in the region. Hübner's work specifically highlighted the area around Essaouira and Safi on the Atlantic coast."Atlantis in Morocco?". Atlantipedia. Retrieved 27 August 2026.

According to Hübner's research, the plain and its adjacent valleys are still referred to as an ‘island’ by the native Amazigh people of the region."Atlantis in Morocco?". Atlantipedia. Retrieved 27 August 2026.

The Moroccan historian Abdellah Laroui also famously described Morocco as "an island", a term that literally corresponds with both Plato's description of Atlantis as an island and Hübner's geographical identification.""المغرب جزيرة" .. حين يُقتطع فكر العروي". Hespress (in Arabic). 2025. Retrieved 27 August 2026.

Some scholars have also noted the ancient Libyan tribe known as the Atlantes, mentioned by Herodotus as inhabiting the area around the Atlas Mountains.Herodotus (2003). The Histories. Penguin Classics. Today this region lies within Tamazgha, the Amazigh name for North Africa meaning "the land of the free". It remains the continuous cultural heartland of the Amazigh people, whose presence and heritage in the western Maghreb span millennia. Ancient Egyptian depictions of North African peoples, including figures identified as Amazigh with distinctive dress and customs, bear striking similarities to Amazigh cultural practices that persist in the area to the present day.Grimal, Nicolas (1992). A History of Ancient Egypt. Wiley-Blackwell.

Thank you. A Nnnnnnn 07 (talk) 14:14, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

'Atlantipedia' does not remotely meet our sourcing requirements at WP:RS. Your other citations are not actually about the subject of this article and the content they are attached to does not meet the requirements of WP:NOR. - MrOllie (talk) 14:18, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

@MrOllie Thank you for the feedback. Do you know what kind of sources would be acceptable to demonstrate notability for Hübner's hypothesis? Is there a way to cite his book directly? A Nnnnnnn 07 (talk) 14:29, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

Hübner's ideas are discussed, with citations to his writings, at Hypothetical locations of Atlantis#Northwest Africa. That seems sufficient. I don't see what your last paragraph above has to do with Atlantis. Deor (talk) 15:25, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

Request grammar correction in Critias section

Please change "Gunnar Rudberg was the first who elaborated upon the idea" to "Gunnar Rudberg was the first to elaborate upon the idea" to correct the grammar. Tonio Fenech (talk) 16:16, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:30, 18 September 2026 (UTC)