Talk:Asmongold

About the second paragraph.

He did apologize for his comments on palestinians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSI-N-QHNTQ The apalogy proper starts at 4:40. Sanctaphrax1 (talk) 10:54, 30 August 2026 (UTC)

If you're going to include this, you must include that the apology wasn't genuine or accepted. It was a false apology that he was forced to make. An apology that isn't a real apology is the equal or the same as a non apology or refusal to apologize. Therefore he didn't actually ever make an apology. He technically has never made an apology. ~2026-51189-45 (talk) 15:38, 23 September 2026 (UTC)

Sounds like your personal assesment, your political disagreements with the man shouldn't cloud your judgement, that's not what wiki is about. The fact is that there is an apology out there an claiming that there isn't is just incorrect. Also starting the description with what should be in a "Controversy" tab is contentious but removing this sentence at least seems like a no brainer. Sanctaphrax1 (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

No. He views Muslims as the enemy. He makes claims that Muslims engaged in slavery. They never did. Islam is against slavery and was founded on freeing people from slavery. He's conflating Arab and Egyptian slavery with Muslims/Islam. He doesn't attack jewish or christian slavery the same way. That's his goal and agenda. It's targeting a specific religion. This is done intentionally. He's not being honest. ~2026-51189-45 (talk) 03:52, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Please be careful here, and remember that this is not a forum. If your comment does not include a source, or a proposal to make a concrete, exact change to the article, it does not belong, IMO. WP:NOTFOURM Marcus Markup (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Recent lead additions

This was recently inserted into the article:

Over his streaming career, his remarks have featured numerous false and inflammatory claims about immigrants, Palestinians, and other marginalized groups, leading to multiple suspensions from Twitch, including bans for calling Palestinians an "inferior culture" and for suggesting that migrant children "should be shot", remarks he has refused to apologize for. He has also faced a defamation lawsuit from Mizkif for his comments on their allegations of sexual assault and abuse.

If it is kept at all, it should be trimmed to just:

Over his streaming career, his remarks have featured several false and inflammatory claims about immigrants, Palestinians, and other marginalized groups, leading to multiple suspensions from Twitch.

per MOS:LEADPROPORTION, there's no reason to lay the focus on individual quotes and controversies, instead of what the subject is actually known for. If the full text is kept, the lead as a whole should be expanded ~2026-52125-29 (talk) 01:03, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Does anyone oppose the trim? ~2026-52125-29 (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

Go for it. Anyone who thinks piling on his controversies is in some way harming him... his fans consider those things badges of honor, aspirations, and reasons to visit. Marcus Markup (talk) 19:17, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

Edit request

Since no one seems to object I'm formally requesting this edit. Thanks ~2026-52125-29 (talk) 22:05, 9 October 2026 (UTC) ~2026-52125-29 (talk) 22:05, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

 Done Day Creature (talk) 16:33, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

Issue

Prose says "In August 2026, he received a 14-day ban for suggesting that migrants, including children, attempting to cross from Morocco into the Spanish exclave of Ceuta should be shot; he refused to apologize for these remarks." but the lead says he apologized. I would do it myself but I admit I am so weary of such things. I really should remove this from my watch list... it is not doing me well. Marcus Markup (talk) 03:40, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Hoyt

Is there a reason to use Hoyt in most places of the article instead of "Zack" or "Asmongold"? I understand it has to be encyclopedic, but no one is looking for "Zack Hoyt" on the Internet. --AhmedDjoudi (talk) 19:11, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

I agree. While referring to a subject by surname is generally standard encyclopedic practice, MOS:SURNAME makes an exception for pseudonyms when they predominate in reliable secondary sources. Hoyt (errr.. Asmongold) is overwhelmingly known by that name, both publicly and in media coverage. I think using "Asmongold" throughout the article would be more natural, recognizable, and consistent with the spirit of the guideline than using "Hoyt". Marcus Markup (talk) 19:44, 2 November 2026 (UTC)

It's an interesting case, because it would be bizarre to say that "Asmongold" founded a computer company. Does he show up in meetings with investors, as "Asmongold" or as "Zach Hoyt"? The person "Hoyt" founded it, not his toon. So there may need to be switching back and forth to how he is referred to. Was "Hoyt" banned from various media, or was his on-line persona? Anyway, I'll let this cook before boldly editing. Marcus Markup (talk) 02:44, 6 November 2026 (UTC)

Per the platform T&Cs, as with Wikipedia, it is the person behind the account who is banned, in this case Zack Hoyt, not merely the channel personality Asmongold. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 10:10, 6 November 2026 (UTC)

Exactly. So we have to say "Hoyt" there, but in other places in the article, "Asmongold" will be appropriate, I think. I don't think we can just have one or the other. Marcus Markup (talk) 10:48, 6 November 2026 (UTC)

The issue I see is that the MOS says that what is chosen should be used throughout, so either should be fine (though sourcing suggests "Asmongold" is the more appropriate one), but we should avoid a mixture of the two. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 12:04, 6 November 2026 (UTC)

If saying "Hoyt" sometimes, and "Asmongold" at others, makes for a more accurate and read-able article, I don't care what the MOS says, I'm here to write a good article. Adhereance to what a style sheet or what was done before, for the sake of adhering to how it has been done before, is great for normal circumstances, but sometimes you have to bend the way things were done before, and perhaps set new MOS standards. Marcus Markup (talk) 12:58, 6 November 2026 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that his name cannot be homogenized throughout the article, and must be dealt with on a case by case, sentence by sentence basis. I will defend the status quo, and will object to a blanket search/replace type of 'correction'. Marcus Markup (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2026 (UTC)

The status quo is to use Hoyt throughout, so did you mean to write something else than that you will defend the status quo? -- Cdjp1 (talk) 15:05, 6 November 2026 (UTC)

Yes. I am down with the quo. Having "Hoyt" all over it is fine, but I will support changing sentences to "Asmongold" on a case-by-case-basis. Marcus Markup (talk) 15:18, 6 November 2026 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for clarifying. -- Cdjp1 (talk) 15:53, 6 November 2026 (UTC)