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Mercer Art Gallery exterior by Hiscoe

• ... that architect Arthur Hiscoe was fêted for his market building and his remodelled Mercer Art Gallery building (pictured) is listed, but he was later imprisoned for drunkenness?

• Source: For being publicly celebrated by Harrogate Borough Council, see press cuttings from Harrogate Herald 4 March 1874 pp4–5 on Wikimedia Commons. For listed Mercer Art Gallery building, see: Historic England. "The Old Town Hall (1293862)". National Heritage List for England. Retrieved 30 December 2022.. For being arrested for intoxication in public, see: West Yorkshire, England, Prison Records, 1801-1914. No. 29 nominal register. 8627. Register no. 17. Wakefield, West Yorkshire: H.M. Government. 1906. p. 270. Retrieved 17 August 2026 – via Ancestry. HMP Wakefield prison record: "Arthur Hiscoe, draughtsman, drunken, 7 days hard labour, Church of England, born Wortley, discharged 11 February 1906".

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  • Comment: (1) This nomination is one day late, my fault, the article needed more work and I lost track of time. Extension requested, please. The article is now completed, although I still have yesterday's large set of my own photographs of his former Station Hotel (now Zizzi restaurant) to edit and upload to Commons (those photos should not affect DYK). (2) My second QPQ is pending; I intend to complete it today. Both QPQs are now done.

Moved to mainspace by Storye book (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 124 past nominations.

Storye book (talk) 09:38, 25 August 2026 (UTC).

Interesting life and work, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I like the hook idea, but

• I never met the word "fêted"
• "market building" - we don't know if building means a house or the process, and it seems not even catchy, - perhaps only the other?
• if both, a comma is missing
• can we say something more impressive about the Mercer than that it is "listed"?

The image is licensed and a fine illustration of the style, almost a must ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

I forgot to say that I accept the day late. What do you think about making a covered public market (that he designed) the focus of the hook? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 27 August 2026 (UTC)

ALT0a: ... that architect Arthur Hiscoe was celebrated for his design of a market, and his remodelled Mercer Art Gallery (pictured) is listed, but he was later imprisoned for drunkenness? (168 characters inc. spaces) Storye book (talk) 09:56, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

That's better, but "design of a market" is still vague: the covered public market would not spring to my mind just reading "market". The "listed"-link would help me, but would probably be removed in the process to reach the main page, but why that Gallery (it remains unclair in the wording if he remodelled it or if he designed it and it was remodelled) at all? Perhaps try the market pic and drop the gallery, - the DYK team wants it short, not 3 ideas in one hook ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

ALT0b: ... that architect Arthur Hiscoe was celebrated for designing a covered market, and for remodelling the listed Mercer Art Gallery (pictured), but he was later imprisoned for drunkenness?

Covered market in Harrogate

ALT0c: ... that architect Arthur Hiscoe was celebrated for designing a covered market (pictured), but he was later imprisoned for drunkenness? Storye book (talk) 21:11, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. I took the liberty to move the image and format it like the other, using Harrogate in the caption to give an idea where on earth this plays. The "celebration" of this market or markets is not exactly in the article, - could we use a different expression? Or just say that he designed "Harrogate's first covered public market"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

In the hooks, it is Hiscoe who is being fêted or celebrated at the laying of the foundation stone, and only secondarily the market itself, which was not yet built. In understated British English, "fêted" or "celebrated" can mean honoured by being temporarily put in a physically prominent position (e.g. in a parade or formal group photograph with important townsmen) to show them respect. I have added "celebrated" to the article's header to make it clear.

I have avoided saying "first" on this template, even though there are good sources for it in the article, because in my experience promoters just do not like that word, believing it to be unprovable. But if you really want a "first"-type hook, I can offer an alternative hook with "first" in it, and promoters can choose? I have added to the article a pic of the market's brown plaque. The wording on the plaque (as with all Harrogate brown plaques until 2022) was written by historian Malcolm Neesam, who led the Harrogate Civic Society, which erected the plaques. I have linked and cited the "first" covered market in Harrogate fact and cited the "burned down" fact in the article. Storye book (talk) 09:59, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

Harrogate's covered market on fire

ALT2: ... that architect Arthur Hiscoe designed Harrogate's first covered market, which burned down in 1937 (pictured)? (Source: see: Harrogate Herald article here: File:Harrogate Herald 4 March 1874 pp4-5 (5).jpg " ... to lay the foundation stone of the first public Market for Harrogate". Also, see: "Big Harrogate blaze, 70 shops in market hall destroyed". Hull Times. 6 February 1937. p. 3 col.3. Retrieved 29 August 2026. The hall was gutted.) Storye book (talk) 09:59, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

Understand, and thanks for explaining! Let's look at ALT2 then. I don't think we need "architect", and for me, we don't even need "first". I'd add the opening year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

I formatted pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

I can approve ALT2 as it is, and the image is licensed and should raise attention. I'll watch for ALTs for it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

ALT2a: ... that Arthur Hiscoe designed Harrogate's covered market, which burned down in 1937 (pictured)? Storye book (talk) 12:02, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

ALT2a is fine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2026 (UTC)