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Latest comment: 7 hours ago by TheBrickGraphic in topic Peer review
Good articleAperture Tag has been listed as one of the Video games good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
August 16, 2024Good article nomineeListed

Valvetime

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I wanted to return a favor after your review at FAC, but unfortunately I am not native enough in English. But, I wanted to point out this specific source, Valvetime, that this may not be reliable. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:12, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

ValveTime was a forum and YouTube channel run by Valve games enthusiasts (the person that reviewed Aperture Tag is also a game developer), so it's up to the reviewer to decide. The review itself is quite good, but I wouldn't mind it being removed. Vacant0 (talk contribs) 09:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ah I see. Fair enough. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 10:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Aperture Tag/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Vacant0 (talk · contribs) 10:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Reviewer: Mir Novov (talk · contribs) 01:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have lot of experience with Portal 2 mod pages, but surprisingly it doesn’t seem I’ve edited this one. I will review this article shortly. ― novov (t c) 01:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
    a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    Seems to have no major edit wars or disputes.
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Lead

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  • What exactly is meant by rotated walls? The terminology is used several times, but I don't understand what makes that a mechanic, and what gameplay it is used for. Some walls in Portal 2 are on angles, so could probably be called "rotated".
    •  Done Removed it from the article as it was cited to the Mash Those Buttons ref. I was confused too when reading the article, but my first thought were those curved walls that are used for surfing in the game.
  • Pneumatic Diversity tubes is inconsistently capitalised (the in-game terminology is actually Pneumatic Diversity Vents, though if a source calls them tubes, then I guess it's fine). Again, this occurs throughout the article.
    •  Done Changed it to "Pneumatic Diversity Tubes".
  • sountrack is misspelt.
    •  Done Removed it as it was cited to the ValveTime ref.
  • writing, voice acting, and Nigel seems redundant to me; Nigel is part of the writing and seems to be the only major voice-acted character.
    •  Done
  • the community complained about the pricing is unclear. Although the lead is supposed to be summnative, it should still stand on its own, so it should explicitly state that players complained about the mod being a paid product or something along those lines.
    •  Done

Gameplay

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  • Nice opening paragraph; really explains how Tag is distinct from Portal 2.
  • The first source does not verify that the game is in first-person perspective.
    •  Done
  • Nigel is a narrative element and doesn't warrant a mention in the gameplay section.
    •  Done
  • Informal language like as fast as possible should be avoided and is technically misleading; something like timed puzzles would be better wording.
    •  Done
  • The fizzler isn't new, it exists in Portal 2 at the entry and exit of each test chamber, and IIRC makes an appearance in one puzzle. The paint fizzler is the new introduction in Tag (as opposed to the normal fizzler).
    •  Done Yup.
  • While traveling through the tubes, the player can see other test chambers and old parts of Aperture Science facilities is narrative visuals, and doesn't concern gameplay.
    •  Done Removed
  • The game does not feature the complex physics of Portal 2 and mostly relies on static features. What is meant by this?
    •  Done Reworded

Plot

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  • Per WP:CONSECUTIVECITE, sources should not be repeated every sentence unless the citations are different. Just place the citation at the end of a block of text cited to one source. This goes for other sections as well.
    •  Done
You missed some citations in other sections, but since it's easy enough I've went ahead and fixed this.
  • There is no explanation of what the Enrichment Centre is. Remember that the article should stand alone without requiring the player to read Portal 2.
    •  Done
  • the player isn't the main character of the game, say test subject or player character instead, cf. MOS:REALWORLD. This helps distinguish in-game narrative actions from actual actions undertaken by the player, like At the last chamber, the player can choose one of the endings.
    •  Done
  • Is Aperture Laboratories Stability Stable Energy Reactor a typo or just humourous naming?
    • Seems like humorous naming, that's the full name of ALSSER.
Fair enough.
  • The player then must flee the reactor as quickly as possible but there is no mention of them entering said reactor.
    •  Done
  • At the last chamber, the player can choose one of the endings. How?
    • The next two sentences are supposed to explain the endings?
True, though I think it works better explained first.

Development

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  • the game was designed using Portal 2 Authoring Tools in the Hammer editor. My understanding is that Hammer is part of the authoring tools, not vice versa.
    •  Done Correct
  • designed out is too informal, just say designed.
    •  Done
  • Prior to the release of Aperture Tag, demo levels of the game were available on the Steam Workshop. I presume this is the Workshop for Portal 2 and not Tag? This should be explicitly stated.
    •  Done
  • Roman was initially undecided on whether to publish the game with a price tag or to make it free of charge occurs before the game's release, so should be ordered before it in the prose. Probably clearly link these, something like Roman was initially undecided on whether to publish the Aperture Tag with a price tag or to make it free of charge. He eventually decided to price it at US$7, making it the first paid mod on Steam. It was released on July 15, 2014, for Microsoft Windows and OS X platforms.
    •  Done
  • The game has its own Steam Trading Cards. Heaps of Steam games have these, this isn't notable.
    •  Done This is, however, the only Portal mod to have its own trading cards and items.
Yes, but I still wouldn't call it notable. Most players don't particularly care about those features, seems like WP:TRIVIA to me.

Sourcing and reception

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Nice job finding the Pelit magazine coverage. However, some of the other sources used give me pause:

  • Shark Puppet seems to not have a huge amount of formal organisation. However, a preponderance of the authors have lots of professional journalism/media experience (including the article author) so it can barely slip through IMO.
    • Sounds good
  • I agree with User:Boneless Pizza! that Valve Time is probably not suitable, being a fan forum not a gaming publication.
    •  Done Removed
  • Press Those Buttons seems to have no editorial policy or qualified staff, so I would doubt its reliablity.
    •  Done That sucks. I've removed the ref and all content that it backed up.

I am aware that this leaves the reception somewhat sparse, but fan-generated content usually does not recieve the same depth of reception — see Mother 3 fan translation. However, this dearth may prevent the article from reaching FA level.

  • Additionally, the reception section should be sorted by topic per MOS:VG#Reception.
    •  Done If you think the reception could be improved even more, feel free to reword it.
  • Personally, I'd cut down on the length of direct quotations and use original prose more to explain the reviewers' positions.
    •  Done

Images

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The images follow fairly standard usage of imagery for VG articles, and abide by WP:NFCC with the correct rationales etc. The choice of screenshot suitably illustrates the gameplay, and it is a good choice to highlight the elements that are distinct from the base Portal series. Personally, since the USP of the mod is the focus on gels instead of portals, I would show the gels/gel gun more directly, but that's just my opinion.

  • MOS:CAPLENGTH specifies that If nothing more than the page name needs to be said about the image, then the caption should be omitted. The general trend — as stated in WP:VGBOX — is to not just say "cover art for the game" etc.; therefore, the infobox caption should probably be removed.
    •  Done
  • The Aperture Tag should have no article.
    •  Done
  • show in the image should be shown.
    •  Done

Miscellanea

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The article seems to have no major edit wars or disputes, so no issues here. The copyvio detector has a rate of 24.8%; however, most of this is from quotes.

Overall

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This article has a number of issues, but they are fixable, and most of them are relatively minor. Therefore, I am placing this review On hold under the standard GA process, with a timeframe of seven days to bring the article up to scratch. ― novov (t c) 06:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Mir Novov: I appreciate that you actually took time to explain everything in the review. This (and the two other GANs) are my first video game GA nominations so there would definitely be some errors (mostly in sourcing because I was unsure which refs to keep). I’ll address the issues today. Vacant0 (talk contribs) 07:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Mir Novov: I've addressed all of your comments. I've also added two more references to the article (Xataka Mexico and VKPlay). Vacant0 (talk contribs) 11:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
The Xataka source is a rerun of a Kotaku article. Use the original article instead; Kotaku is a situational source but the article that is linked to seems to be fine.
VK Play (from what I can tell VK Play Media seems to be the branding for their news site as opposed to games publishing/services) seems to have a well defined editorial staff and structure, with quite a few people with credentials in journalism and/or experience in Russian gaming RSes. And of course VK is a major Russian company, so its hardly some fly-by-night operation; the potential conflict of interest gives me pause, but IGN bought Humble and it's still an RS. ― novov (t c) 08:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Mir Novov: I've removed the Xataka ref. Vacant0 (talk contribs) 09:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
In that case, it should be good to go. Nice work! ― novov (t c) 09:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for helping! Vacant0 (talk contribs) 09:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

FAC run?

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@Vacant0: I'm interested in taking a closer look at this article in the coming weeks to see if it could be nominated to WP:FAC. Do you mind if I take a look and make some edits to get this ready for an FAC run? If so, would you like to co-nom with me, have me nominate this myself, or just have this nominated with you as the sole nominator? Z1720 (talk) 03:16, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Z. I'd happy to be the conominator for a potential FAC nomination of this article. There are a few concerns though:
  • Shark Puppet and Journal du Geek are not listed on WP:VG/RS, therefore they might be unreliable. The rest of the sources are okay.
  • The article *could* be potentially expanded a bit. I did not look at archive.org, for example. But this is a relatively niche mod, so there might not be anything on there. The article is relatively shorter than most FAs, so that might be an issue.
  • The creator of this mod seems to be transgender as of 2025. But we do not have great sources regarding this claim (only a Steam and Linkedin profile). Older sources from 2014 use their deadname.
I'm happy to help out in this process. I'm looking to your response. Vacant0 (talk contribs) 13:49, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply
Z, I can start a peer review if you want? I plan on nomming A Short Hike for FAC in the coming days first. Vacant0 (talk contribs) 20:00, 30 August 2026 (UTC)Reply

Update:

  • I have asked the community at WP:VG/RS to determine whether Shark Puppet and Journal du Geek can be considered reliable sources. Their removal won't impact much of the article.
  • I did not find any secondary sources that mention their transgender identity. LinkedIn is not accessible to everyone, while Steam is. Therefore, we can use Steam as the source for their name.
  • I have opened a peer review so that we can receive on the article's prose and etc. before we nominate it for FAC.

Vacant0 (talk contribs) 13:59, 6 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

We got a response regarding the reliability of the two sources. They're not reliable. I'll go ahead and remove them. Vacant0 (talk contribs) 12:49, 7 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Peer review

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I've listed this article for peer review because @Z1720: approached me about brining this article to FAC status. I accepted the plan and we plan on nominating it in December (or maybe earlier). I brought this article to GA status back in 2024. We would appreciate if we get any help regarding this potential FAC nomination. Any help would be welcomed.

Thanks, Vacant0 (talk contribs) 13:42, 6 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

TheBrickGraphic

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@Vacant0: As a huge (and recent) fan of Portal 2, I'd be happy to provide some prose comments! TheBrickGraphic (talk) 21:32, 8 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, TBG. @Z1720:, if you want, you can tackle this, so you can get some authorship for this article. Vacant0 (talk contribs) 11:03, 9 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
General
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  • For the first notable mention of a game per section, I'd suggest putting its release year in parentheses, e.g., "Portal 2 (2011)"
Lead
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  • "...the gameplay revolves around a paint gun rather than a portal gun, that fires two kinds of gel..." I'd add a comma after "paint gun".
  • "It also introduces other new mechanisms such as the paint fizzler..." I think "mechanic" is a better term than "mechanism".
  • "The game takes place after Portal 2 and the player is guided by a personality core Nigel to complete puzzles in the Aperture Science Enrichment Center." -> "Taking place following the events of Portal 2 (2011), the player is guided by a personality core named Nigel to complete puzzles in the Aperture Science Enrichment Center."
  • "The game Aperture Tag features new characters and voice acting, along with a co-op mode that includes a level editor."
  • "Aperture Tag was praised for the concept of the paint gun, but the writing and voice acting was criticized. Upon release, the Portal community complained about the mod being a paid product; Portal 2 is also required to play Aperture Tag." I'd reword this section to -> "Aperture Tag was praised for the concept of the paint gun, but elicited criticism for its writing and voice acting. The Portal community expressed anger over the mod being a paid product, with ownership of Portal 2 also required to play Aperture Tag."
Gameplay
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  • "Like the Portal series..." -> "Like previous games in the Portal series..."
  • "The two gels were featured in Portal 2..." -> "The two gels were previously featured in Portal 2..."
  • "...while propulsion, colored orange, provides a speed boost to the player."
  • "The repulsion gel can also be used to disable hostile turret enemies."
  • I'm not sure if "timed puzzles" linking to "speedrunning" is appropriate; I obviously see the connection, but to me, "speedrunning" implies a self-imposed challenge, not an intentional one. I also don't think "toxic floors" being linked to "toxicity", in the context of chemistry, is appropriate, since it's already specified that toxic floors kill the player.
  • "The game also features a modified level editor..." In what way is the editor "modified"? I checked the attached refs but neither refer to the editor as such.

Plot

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No issues.

Development

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  • "They responded that while a weapon_paintgun file was in the game..." Please add quotes surrounding "weapon_paintgun".
  • "Considering that it is As a modification, users must own Portal 2 to play Aperture Tag."

Reception

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  • I'm not sure why an excerpt of the original Finnish text from Heikki Hurme's review is included here.
  • I would move both the portion of Christopher Livingston's review that mentions the pricetag ("...but ultimately said that the game's "price is a tad optimistic for what you get"") and the sentence beginning with "Both Livingston and Aleksandr Levahin..." to the final paragraph after "...the Portal community complained about the US$7 price tag and for not releasing it for free." (I would move a tweaked version of "...with Wired also stating that they criticized Aperture Tag for its poor writing and voice acting." to the paragraph above) to make a logical connection between fans' criticism of the pricepoint and that from critics. I'd also move the final sentence "However, Rock Paper Shotgun listed Aperture Tag as one of the best Portal 2 mods." to the end of the first pargraph, with the word "however" removed (WP:HOWEVER).