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Latest comment: 3 days ago by EvanTech10 in topic Wordmark

iPad naming

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I feel like it is time to address the naming of recent iPad related articles. For the recent iPads, all of these articles start off with stylized and marketed as iPad mini (A20 Pro) and similar phrasing for the iPad, iPad Air and iPad Pro line ups. However, this seems to be a case where the articles are confusing Apple's own disambiguation with official names and ignoring the WP:COMMONNAME policy in the process. Apple's official (and stylized) name for this device is just "iPad mini". There is no "(A20)" in its name. Neither the introduction video, the ad, official website, the official announcement, or the technical specs of this product calls it "iPad mini (A20)". They all just refer to the tablet as "iPad mini". The only time it is written like that, is when it is in comparison to previous generations and function's as Apple's own disambiguation. The same goes for every other iPad where Wikipedia articles refer to their SoC as if it is the name. Now obviously, that's just Apple's marketing, and Wikipedia isn't that. So instead, let's take a look at the sources. As off the time of writing, this article's 31 sources call this specific iPad mini:

  • "iPad mini" with no further disambiguation beyond "new" or "next": 25
    • But also refer to the previous generation as "iPad mini 7": 3
    • But also refer to a previous generation as "iPad mini (6th generation)": 1
  • "iPad mini 8": 6

Not one source in this entire article ever refers to it as "iPad mini (A20)" or even as "iPad mini with A20" or "A20 iPad mini" (or equivalents with A19 for the sources bassed on rumors that still assumed the previous SoC). While of course not a credible source, the conversation in the comments of these sources also appear to refer to these device by their order more often than - if at all - by SoC.

This same pattern holds for every other iPad. As another example, let's take the iPad Air's 8th generation, or the "iPad Air (M4)". That article has 11 sources. The only time the device is ever refereed to as "iPad Air (M4)" is on Apple's own website when it is done in the context of disambiguation with other models (and arguably "iPad Air 13-inch (M2, M3, and M4)" isn't the name at all in the first place but just a list of variants) or when a website like PCMag needs to give it a unique title but otherwise doesn't use it in the body of the article (and then still it is "iPad Air (M4, 2026)". Here too, the official announcement and specs sheet call the device just the "iPad Air". To further underline the "marketed as" claim, when you go to Apple's website and try to buy an iPad Air right now, it is called "11-inch iPad Air Wi‑Fi 128GB - Purple", the SoC is not even in the SKU name.

The first line in every recent iPad article is wrong. Names like "iPad mini (A20 Pro)" are not the "stylized and marketed" name of these products. The numbered names are more common in the sources than than the names including the SoC, if they are present at all. It seems like we've been confusing Apple's disambiguation in its documentation with its marketing. I'm not necessarily arguing the article names should be changed (although an argument is to be made there too, since - again - no source uses these names), but I do believe the articles should stop treating the disambiguation as if it is an official product name or even a common name to refer to these devices. YannickFran (talk) 18:31, 26 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Once I arrive home, I will make an RFC on the Apple wikiproject over this matter. The back and forth move war is starting to annoy me. EvanTech10 (talk, contribs) ⚡ 19:22, 26 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
(the move war refering to the pre-2024 iPads such as the M1-M2 iPad Pro and M1 iPad Air) EvanTech10 (talk, contribs) ⚡ 19:26, 26 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I did not even expect the move war, or even people starting it. The official names by Apple are "iPad Pro (5th generation)", "iPad Pro (6th generation)", and "iPad Air (5th generation)". You can even see these names somewhere on Apple's website; that's all you need.
The chip-based names do not retroactively apply to these products, so the company itself does not call them "iPad Pro (M1)", "iPad Pro (M2)", and "iPad Air (M1)" respectively. Apple did not even rename the iPads when they announced the iPad Pro (M4) and iPad Air (M2), which were both released in 2024. iPad models are named by their chip if they're released in 2024 or later. Models released before then are named by the generation.
Similarly, nobody calls the sixth-generation iPad mini the "iPad mini (A15 Bionic)", the ninth-generation iPad the "iPad (A13 Bionic)", and the tenth-generation iPad the "iPad (A14 Bionic)". There is no reason for people to move these article titles from officially named models to informally named models. Slackintosh (talk) 01:28, 27 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yep. I put this fact on the RFC, which you should probably take a look at. EvanTech10 (talk, contribs) ⚡ 01:47, 27 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Although most of the sites you went through only call the models e.g. "iPad mini" (without the disambiguation), we know that the primary topic with the same exact name is the product line, not a specific model. The same also happens to the iPad Pro. This is why Wikipedia articles are disambiguated. Apple uses parenthetical naming to differ among the models, so does Wikipedia. Slackintosh (talk) 02:02, 27 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yes, but my point is that the articles are using the disambiguation as if it is the official name when there are no sources to actually support that. Apple is using the same disambiguation we're using, but they clearly do not intend it as names of the product or marketing names given that the disambiguation is only ever used when comparing to other iPads or in documentation where they'll write things like iPad Air (M2, M3, M4). The sequence of versions like that shows that "iPad Air (M2)" isn't a name, between brackets is just the intended generation(s). YannickFran (talk) 08:16, 27 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Did you know nomination

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Created by Slackintosh (talk) and Cosmic840 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Slackintosh (talk) 03:52, 27 October 2026 (UTC).Reply

  • The article was moved to main space on 10/26 (after six months incubation) and thus satisfies the newness requirement. It is also long enough. However, this hook concerns a new commercial product scheduled for release on November 6. The two proposed hooks read like an advertisement/promotion for the product, touting its new features (first "water resistant" and first with "OLED display"). It is also timed so as to be run on the main page around the product's release and during the Christmas buying season. The main page of Wikipedia should not be used to promote the release of a commercial product. See WP:DYKNOT prohibiting the use of DYK as "a means of advertising, or of promoting commercial ... causes," especially during "product launches". It is also a work-in-progress which has an entire section tagged as "This section is empty." Cbl62 (talk) 13:39, 27 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Wordmark

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I noticed that the iPad mini logo has slightly changed (as seen on its official website): the "mini" font went from a pink–purple gradient to a blue gradient when the A20 Pro model was announced. The logo as seen in the article's infobox still currently uses the older gradient. Slackintosh (talk) 21:38, 1 November 2026 (UTC)Reply

I'm aware of that. Unfortunately, Apple decided to use a very low-resolution PNG for the wordmark in the webpage files, so I cannot really rip it from the source. Instead, a person with good vector skills needs to create a custom vector wordmark. EvanTech10 (talk, contribs) ⚡ 01:07, 4 November 2026 (UTC)Reply